09-06-2021, 12:11 PM
(09-06-2021, 09:27 AM)ijmorlan Wrote:(09-06-2021, 01:04 AM)jeffster Wrote: That said, if the real reason for calling out Chick-Fil-A is due to their religious beliefs, then say it. Because this is what it could be about. Which is fine -- but religions don't have to go out of their way to support certain groups if they feel it's against their core religious beliefs (despite many churches hypocrisy when it comes to things of this nature). Just say you don't like their religious beliefs and how their religion deals with the LGBTQ+ community. Not that I think (to be clear, in my opinion) it absolves anyone if they're dealing with other companies, but at least it makes it a little more clear.
Depends what you mean by this. I don’t dislike the Chick-Fil-A people’s religious beliefs in the same way I dislike asparagus. Their beliefs in this area are (to borrow a phrase from some Roman Catholic bigot, if I remember correctly) objectively disordered and repugnant to civilized society, and their use of their funds to promote hatred is not a legitimate exercise of free speech rights. I don’t know the exact destination of their specific funds, but if they have been funding anti-gay efforts in Africa then they are effectively murderers just as much as if they were funding terrorist bombings.
I agree with you.
Personally, I have always believed that religion needs to stay out of politics (and the power politicians have) entirely. As I had mentioned, it's hypocritical of them, since one of the core values of a Christian religion (but often ignored) is to not interfere with the superior authorities, and to be no part of that world.
My point though on the whole thing is that many corporations, including larger ones, donate to individuals and organizations that can spread hate. And what I have a difficult time understanding: when it comes to a place like Chick-Fil-A -- these are franchise businesses. A owners could be a married gay couple, or not. They could be atheist, Muslims, or whatever. Whatever the case, the might be fully inclusive of everyone. These people have no say on how the corporation spends its money. But should we, a members of any community, centre them (the franchisee) out? I don't think so. I think time is better spent in front of Ford, or Walmart, or Google, and the like, and revealing what these companies do. And likewise, avoid business dealing with them if they don't change.
2nd to my point though: if you are avoiding a business because of how they spend their profit, you need to avoid other companies that do the same.