Downtown outdoor spaces

[danbrotherston]

Or maybe...we could actually have designed our transportation infrastructure so that it could handle the number of users who are using it.

What would the speed limit be? 15? 20? 25?...Because if it's 15, that's ridiculously slow for cycling, if it's 25, then that's to fast around pedestrians.

The problem is not behaviour, it's bad infrastructure. Complaining about the users of the infra isn't going to solve any problems. I am not complaining about the pedestrians, I am complaining about the city's failure to accomodate all the users of the infra.

15 km/h is not too slow for a  multi-use trail unless you are in a hurry to get somewhere, in which case you should consider an alternate route. Our pedestrian and cycling infrastructure is evolving and as it gets better it will attract more users. I think that we will see the same problem that we have in building highways for cars, induced demand. If you build it, they will come. Just look at how much bicycle traffic there is in places like the Netherlands with their excellent infrastructure. We are nowhere near that amount of use here.

"Consider an alternate route"...there are not alternate routes, this is definitely part of the problem, but our trails form part of our transportation network, they should be built to a standard which enables them to be used for transportation.

I resent being told that I'm not allowed to be in a hurry to get places when I am cycling somewhere.