08-18-2020, 10:31 PM
(This post was last modified: 08-18-2020, 10:32 PM by danbrotherston.)
(08-18-2020, 08:05 PM)plam Wrote:(08-18-2020, 10:55 AM)jamincan Wrote: I definitely have a concern that ineffective spending on bike infrastructure could backfire. Until there is a feasible network, uptake will be limited, which could be seen as an indictment on cycling as transportation rather than a reflection of the inadequacy of the system.
I think that we're all alluding to the fact that there has to be a network, not just isolated infrastructure. CycleWR has said this as well.
So here's separated bike infrastructure in NZ which perhaps wasn't the best because it is not connected to anything. It's a long piece and the discussion of connectivity is at the end. (edit: spot the Rob Ford reference)
https://www.noted.co.nz/life/life-urbani...-community
I've walked along there twice during the lockdown but have never taken my bike there (it is relatively far from where I'm staying). Also, detailed design is important and yet somehow never put out for input. Always the same story.
Victoria-IHT is hard.
As for dtkmelissa's point about car sewers: Yeah, I wonder about nodes and corridors. I wouldn't actually want to live on Weber, Erb, or Bridgeport. Too many cars. Better to live a bit farther back from there.
To be fair, I don't think--in theory at least--detailed designs should be put out to public input...I mean, the point of having engineers is to understand how to build detailed designs that work well...the public (and our representatives) should only be setting the general direction. The problem in our region is that quite frankly, most of our engineers are incompetent when it comes to designing cycling infra--or at least, I believe that is the reason why we are pushing to see detailed designs. I would much prefer to live in a city where I could assume the engineers would do it right, the last time I did that, we got the garbage Weber crossing.
Yeah, the equity story here is so noticeable...just walk up Margaret and turn on Victoria...the property value drops by...I bet, two thirds in 10 feet...that's probably the most extreme example...but partly that is for equity reasons also, Victoria is probably the most fetid of the car sewers.