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General Road and Highway Discussion
Ooh, that's a tricky one. Can they get the road under the rail in enough distance from Victoria? They could try raising the rails, but the yard entrance is right there...
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The notice is also posted here.
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(08-08-2018, 09:12 PM)KevinL Wrote: Ooh, that's a tricky one. Can they get the road under the rail in enough distance from Victoria? They could try raising the rails, but the yard entrance is right there...

I am sure we all had the same thoughts when Weber was just in its infancy.  

I trust the engineers have thought about it and will make it work.

(08-08-2018, 09:11 PM)danbrotherston Wrote: Do you know who is driving the grade separation, province or region?

The contact listed at the bottom of the notice was the Region of Waterloo, and it has the Region of Waterloo logo at the top, so I have to think it is the Region of Waterloo.
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(08-08-2018, 09:38 PM)Canard Wrote: The contact listed at the bottom of the notice was the Region of Waterloo, and it has the Region of Waterloo logo at the top, so I have to think it is the Region of Waterloo.

It’s a Regional road, and the project is not to install a grade separation as such but to improve the road, including building a grade separation.

Who is pushing for a grade separation is another question.

I still say the road crossing could be closed and not have a significant impact on traffic. It might even improve it, because everybody would just use other routes to cross the tracks (including the 2 brand new ones being built for the freeway interchange) rather than this one that feeds into narrow Lancaster St. east of Victoria. Dumb thing is, we will try it closed during construction, but there will be no observations made of whether that means we don’t need the crossing at all. There are a lot of more worthy transportation causes that could use the money instead of the grade separation.
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With the increased traffic Wellington is going to see in light of the new highway 7, Wellington/Lancaster/Victoria might see a lot of movements. The residents of Wellington West of Lancaster would surely appreciate help in deflecting traffic away from continuing on.
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(08-09-2018, 10:18 AM)Viewfromthe42 Wrote: With the increased traffic Wellington is going to see in light of the new highway 7, Wellington/Lancaster/Victoria might see a lot of movements. The residents of Wellington West of Lancaster would surely appreciate help in deflecting traffic away from continuing on.

It's a world of trade offs, residents of Lancaster south of Victoria would also appreciate traffic being deflected off southbound Lancaster.
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Are there any road traffic studies for the region showing the spread of speeds rather than just the 85th percentile?
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(08-08-2018, 09:12 PM)KevinL Wrote: Ooh, that's a tricky one. Can they get the road under the rail in enough distance from Victoria? They could try raising the rails, but the yard entrance is right there...

You could also lower the road surface on Victoria somewhat, although that would make for a bigger project.
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Traffic there is always especially bad not just because of trains crossing, but because trains typically cross back and forth multiple times before the arms lift and the road becomes passable again. It's a nightmare multiple times a day.

Plus, isn't this intersection typically where all the pedestrian-train collisions that DO happen, happen? Better pedestrian crossing here would be much welcomed
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(08-09-2018, 05:39 PM)GtwoK Wrote: Traffic there is always especially bad not just because of trains crossing, but because trains typically cross back and forth multiple times before the arms lift and the road becomes passable again. It's a nightmare multiple times a day.

Plus, isn't this intersection typically where all the pedestrian-train collisions that DO happen, happen? Better pedestrian crossing here would be much welcomed

I don’t know how many collisions happen there, but it wouldn’t surprise me if it were a problem. The long closings give a temptation to try to beat the train, which is a great way to get hurt. I would support a pedestrian/bicycle grade separation. Way less cost than a road overpass.
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Agreed, it's a busy crossing especially if trains are shunting (or whatever they call it) back and forth. Seen so many people (pedestrians, bikes, cars) bypass the arms after 10 minutes or so of waiting. And lets face it, even a car doing a u-turn to get out of the mess can pose it's own problems.

The tractor trailers have a hard enough time getting in and out of that scrap metal place next door, imagine any above/below grade crossing would impact access even worse than it is now.

So, if they're going to do the improvements along Lancaster, great. I'm all for it. As long as they get the rest of the construction (a significant number or streets West of Lancaster are closed/under construction for the last few months) done first. And maybe get some ramps opened back up for 85 along with it, since a lot of people use Lancaster as a detour due to the Victoria street bridge closure and the closed ramps to 85.
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Reconstruction is still likely 3-5 years away, so Victoria will be long-open by then.
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(08-08-2018, 09:12 PM)KevinL Wrote: Ooh, that's a tricky one. Can they get the road under the rail in enough distance from Victoria? They could try raising the rails, but the yard entrance is right there...

There's already a 10+ foot drop from the intersection to the crossing. I'd bet on the road going over, as at Margaret.
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The Shell Station and Go Glass can likely handle an overpass. David's Fresh Cut Fries and the scrap yard are going to be hard pressed to have reasonable access regardless of over or under if nothing changes.

To make a grade separation work, I could see David's expropriated and an entrance built to the scrap yard in line with Breithaupt. I could also see quite a backlash happening if David's was expropriated. It has quite a neighbourhood following (and tasty fries too)
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Here's one fairly intensive solution (if even plausible):

Close Lancaster for 2 years
Add a third track to the north at a lower elevation (perhaps only a few feet lower than current) going right into the yard from the west
Once the third track is active, lower the middle track to ensure safe passage of through train traffic
Once the second and third track are active, lower the southern track
Build the overpass for traffic on Lancaster at a lower elevation than would have been required

Benefits:
Grade separation
2 tracks cleared for through traffic with a third yard-specific track
Ready for HSR / GO RER / future expansion.
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