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General Road and Highway Discussion
(10-12-2017, 01:24 PM)Bob_McBob Wrote: Photo radar expected in Waterloo Region within next few years

If this is focused on school zones only, they should put up two camera posts in each school zone and then rotate a few cameras to random school zones each day.  That will provide maximum disincentive for school zone speeding with minimum human resources.
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I had someone once pass me at 120+ on the right shoulder of the 401 because they couldn't be bothered to pass on the left.
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Are photo radars really so expensive it would be cheaper to have people moving them every day than just buying enough for every location?
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Yes - "back in the day", school buses equipped with video cameras would often just have a couple at each school, and they'd rotate the camera itself in and out of different identical enclosures in each bus. As kids, we never knew if our bus had the camera that day or not. There was a little dummy flashing LED on the box to make us think it was always on, so we'd be on our best behavior.
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(10-12-2017, 07:18 PM)jwilliamson Wrote: Are photo radars really so expensive it would be cheaper to have people moving them every day than just buying enough for every location?

I do believe so.  In any case, even with non-moving camera, someone needs to collect the images (I don't believe the current generation of cameras can send them unattended over the Internet).

But I could be wrong, it's been known to happen before! Big Grin
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I've seen two examples of mobile photo radar in the past 13 months: in Scotland they had a well marked van in a layby at the bottom of a straight downhill section, and in Banff a RCMP SUV was in the median of the Trans Canada with it's hood up, making you think it had broken down. Two very different ways of accomplishing the same thing.
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(10-12-2017, 09:20 PM)timio Wrote: I've seen two examples of mobile photo radar in the past 13 months: in Scotland they had a well marked van in a layby at the bottom of a straight downhill section, and in Banff a RCMP SUV was in the median of the Trans Canada with it's hood up, making you think it had broken down.  Two very different ways of accomplishing the same thing.

A recent article in Ireland said they were spending EUR 17M to run a fleet of 50 photo radar vans.  The ticket revenue was about 7M so the net cost was EUR 10M per year, or about C$300K/van/year.  If the goal is to target fixed areas such as school zones, fixed cameras are far more cost-effective.
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(10-12-2017, 09:31 PM)tomh009 Wrote:
(10-12-2017, 09:20 PM)timio Wrote: I've seen two examples of mobile photo radar in the past 13 months: in Scotland they had a well marked van in a layby at the bottom of a straight downhill section, and in Banff a RCMP SUV was in the median of the Trans Canada with it's hood up, making you think it had broken down.  Two very different ways of accomplishing the same thing.

A recent article in Ireland said they were spending EUR 17M to run a fleet of 50 photo radar vans.  The ticket revenue was about 7M so the net cost was EUR 10M per year, or about C$300K/van/year.  If the goal is to target fixed areas such as school zones, fixed cameras are far more cost-effective.

Or as people would complain "a cash grab"...I find that phrase so frustrating.
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(10-12-2017, 04:10 AM)Canard Wrote: It almost sounds like we’re okay with those people on 401 in Toronto* who, in rush-hour jams, stay in the right lane, and blast up on-ramps every chance they get to bypass ~10 cars, then cut back in as if they had just joined the highway! People at the front of the line (unless they’re like me, and watch their rear-view mirrors like a hawk) have no idea what’s happened and think “Oh I’ll let this nice person in who has just joined the highway!”, having no clue that they just jumped in front of everyone else, rewarding their bad behaviour.

* - I have never seen this dickish behaviour anywhere else.

I think there's a miscommunication. I'm not talking about this.

To be clear: I think its fine for traffic coming onto the highway to go to the end of the lane before merging. I don't think its ok for someone to merge into the on-ramp from the highway in order to jump in front of people. My objection isn't moral or anything like that, just that its illegal and dangerous because the on-ramp traffic isn't necessarily expecting the move.
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(10-12-2017, 02:52 PM)JoeKW Wrote: I've had people fly past me on the shoulder of the rural part of highway 7 to cut ahead a few spots.  It's insane.

You mean where the road goes from 2-lanes to 1 (or I guess 4 to 2)? I've never understood the people that do this when its just one giant line of traffic anyway. I REALLY don't get it when I see it in the Winter and they're speeding through snow, ice, and slush to do it.
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Yah single lane each way with gravel shoulders.
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How about on Maple grove, heading West, at Beaverdale? Light is red. Line up of cars in the left lane, right lane merges about 100 m after the intersection. See it every day - everyone queues up nicely in the left lane and then someone will jump up and sit at the red light, and then gun it past everyone. So is that okay because it’s “using the capacity”?
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Isn't that precisely the intention of that design? Without the "gunning it past everyone" aspect, of course.
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(10-12-2017, 01:24 PM)Bob_McBob Wrote: Photo radar expected in Waterloo Region within next few years

Photo Radar was approved in MAY?  Where was I when this was announced.... [MIND BLOWN!]

Coke
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(10-13-2017, 07:53 AM)panamaniac Wrote: Isn't that precisely the intention of that design?  Without the "gunning it past everyone" aspect, of course.

I would "assume" the design was more for vehicles turning right onto Maple Grove from Beaverdale... but even if its not "fair"... I don't think it's illegal.

I encounter the same situation every day on Fairway just past Pebble Creek where it goes to one lane. 

Coke
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