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RE: Schneiders Site Redevelopment - Rainrider22 - 02-12-2018 (02-12-2018, 08:49 PM)danbrotherston Wrote:(02-12-2018, 08:44 PM)ijmorlan Wrote: OK, but I don’t think that has anything to do with heritage preservation. I am not a developer, however, if I was, I am sure I would want to maximize my profits. It is easy to advocate for social justice when you dont have any skin in the game... That being said, yes there should be some social conscience in mind when developing properties however, the reality is this... likely many people wont invest in properties that are adding low income assets. We dont have to look any further than this site to acknowledge it. How many times have people that our pro Waterloo wanted to distance themselves from Kitchener because there is a sense of "we are better than them" I am not saying i have the answers, I have been following this site for a long time, and I have seen the bias... I am not judging, just pointing out the realities.. A good discussion non the less though... RE: Schneiders Site Redevelopment - jeffster - 02-12-2018 (02-12-2018, 05:47 PM)Viewfromthe42 Wrote: Accessibility really seems like something we have chosen to ignore. Walk around UpTown and Downtown and have a look at how many buildings aren't accessible. They are historic and preserved, but definitely not accessible. It's unfortunate that we forget some of the things we are inadvertently preserving when we preserve "heritage" buildings, things like inaccessible spaces, or neighbourhoods created and zoned specifically to exclude non-whites/new immigrants. When their is a major renovation done to a building the law states that it must become accessible. Older buildings in the cores aren't accessible, and will never be accessible, as long as major renovations don't take place. I used to do work for this restaurant in Waterloo. They wanted to do some renovations to the place, but it required that the place become accessible, which is isn't for either employee's or customers. This restaurant is split level, with bathrooms on the basement, and main customer area upstairs and that was also where the kitchen was. The costs to make the restaurant properly accessible was way too expensive, would have required removal of a huge section of customer spaces and installation of an elevator. I thought with creative design it could have been done, but at the same time, I'm not writing the cheques. Older buildings. and for example, a place to look at is Crabby Joes on King in Kitchener, were not designed for people with mobility issues. RE: Schneiders Site Redevelopment - darts - 02-12-2018 (02-12-2018, 10:21 PM)jeffster Wrote:Elevators are expensive PITA(02-12-2018, 05:47 PM)Viewfromthe42 Wrote: Accessibility really seems like something we have chosen to ignore. Walk around UpTown and Downtown and have a look at how many buildings aren't accessible. They are historic and preserved, but definitely not accessible. It's unfortunate that we forget some of the things we are inadvertently preserving when we preserve "heritage" buildings, things like inaccessible spaces, or neighbourhoods created and zoned specifically to exclude non-whites/new immigrants. RE: Schneiders Site Redevelopment - ijmorlan - 02-13-2018 (02-12-2018, 10:25 PM)darts Wrote:(02-12-2018, 10:21 PM)jeffster Wrote: When their is a major renovation done to a building the law states that it must become accessible. Older buildings in the cores aren't accessible, and will never be accessible, as long as major renovations don't take place.Elevators are expensive PITA Yes, I’m glad I’m not responsible for paying for any One thing I think we should do better at is making a distinction between existing and new construction. I’ve seen new construction that I consider unacceptable from an accessibility standpoint which is perfectly up to code. Canonical example: E5 at the University of Waterloo, which took a flat parking lot and put a massive outdoor staircase up to a 2nd-floor main entrance. The “accessible” accommodation is a huge ramp that goes halfway to the mall and back. I consider it an entirely unacceptable solution that should not have been used by the University or accepted by building officials, even though technically people in wheelchairs “can” get into the building. By contrast, I happen to think that if a business is operating in an old building, it may be entirely reasonable to continue operating without full accessibility. They should still make whatever efforts are feasible (e.g.: I don’t want to see single steps at the entrance), but a two-story business shouldn’t be prevented from renovating just because they would have to install an elevator. RE: Schneiders Site Redevelopment - MacBerry - 02-14-2018 (02-09-2018, 01:58 PM)nms Wrote: The Lang Tannery buildings were equally contaminated and they too seem to have survived remediation. I expect it's the old 'cheaper to build new than to keep what we have' argument. It's always fun to watch when, in an effort to make the case for replacement, that adjectives like "old", or "time-worn" are attached to perfectly good infrastructure that just needs some repairs. Some of the old/newer factory buildings have two foot thick concrete floors ... probably a factor in how many units will fit or the integrity of the building if you start chopping which is also engineering and profit. I'm sure there are 20 other reasons probably more accurate. RE: Schneiders Site Redevelopment - jeffster - 02-14-2018 (02-14-2018, 12:34 AM)MacBerry Wrote:(02-09-2018, 01:58 PM)nms Wrote: The Lang Tannery buildings were equally contaminated and they too seem to have survived remediation. I expect it's the old 'cheaper to build new than to keep what we have' argument. It's always fun to watch when, in an effort to make the case for replacement, that adjectives like "old", or "time-worn" are attached to perfectly good infrastructure that just needs some repairs. I am guessing too that the internal design of the plant is a lot different than what we saw with the Tannery or Kaufman or Arrow, for example. I think those 3 were all pretty open concept factories. Schneiders is a food processing plant, and perhaps layout isn't contusive of conversation to usable living suites. Easier to put up a few walls then to tare down a how bunch. RE: Schneiders Site Redevelopment - white_brian - 03-06-2018 Heavy demolition equipment showing up in the back lot of Schneider's plant! RE: Schneiders Site Redevelopment - white_brian - 04-27-2018 Demolition has started in the rear yard RE: Schneiders Site Redevelopment - tomh009 - 05-09-2018 (04-27-2018, 03:59 PM)white_brian Wrote: Demolition has started in the rear yard A story (well, at least a photo) in the Record: https://www.therecord.com/news-story/8597660-schneiders-is-coming-down/ RE: Schneiders Site Redevelopment - tomh009 - 05-22-2018 Demolition work was ongoing all weekend. This is not a small demolition project but they are working hard at it. RE: Schneiders Site Redevelopment - panamaniac - 05-23-2018 I'm a bit disappointed that that particular building couldn't have been saved. It might have made for a more interesting development, istm. RE: Schneiders Site Redevelopment - tomh009 - 08-16-2018 Demolition continues … RE: Schneiders Site Redevelopment - panamaniac - 08-16-2018 I wonder if the first development on the site might not be renovation of the office building on Courtland? Seems like the low-hanging fruit. RE: Schneiders Site Redevelopment - tomh009 - 08-16-2018 (08-16-2018, 10:17 AM)panamaniac Wrote: I wonder if the first development on the site might not be renovation of the office building on Courtland? Seems like the low-hanging fruit. I think that'll happen in parallel with the construction of the first residential tower. Will try to find out some more details on this, though. RE: Schneiders Site Redevelopment - Spokes - 10-19-2018 Down goes some more of the old factory. From The Record: Still a shame this couldn't be reused somehow |