(07-09-2021, 08:34 PM)dtkvictim Wrote: While I'm incredibly excited for these bike lanes, I'm quite frustrated by the construction at Joseph & Water.

All 4 corners of the intersection are now completely pedestrian inaccessible, and I don't believe there is any warning signage prior to entering the block.

(07-17-2021, 07:26 PM)dtkvictim Wrote: For those of you who have used the Ottawa St bike lanes (from Mill to the expressway), how do you find them?

(07-17-2021, 07:37 PM)Jefferson Wrote:

(07-17-2021, 07:26 PM)dtkvictim Wrote: For those of you who have used the Ottawa St bike lanes (from Mill to the expressway), how do you find them?

I've used them a number of times and love them. I wish all city streets had something similar.

(07-17-2021, 08:23 PM)danbrotherston Wrote:

(07-17-2021, 07:37 PM)Jefferson Wrote: I've used them a number of times and love them. I wish all city streets had something similar.

Lol...right...Ottawa crosses the expressway twice.

I've used them...they're fine...they're protected by a roll curb...which is to say....they're a mediocre protected bike lane...which is better than a painted bike lane...but it remains incredibly frustrating the bad choices our regional engineers make, even in the face overwhelming public pressure to do the right damn thing.

I'm fairly certain at this point, there are egos involved.

(07-17-2021, 07:26 PM)dtkvictim Wrote: For those of you who have used the Ottawa St bike lanes (from Mill to the expressway), how do you find them?

(08-12-2021, 08:44 AM)KevinT Wrote:

(07-17-2021, 07:26 PM)dtkvictim Wrote: For those of you who have used the Ottawa St bike lanes (from Mill to the expressway), how do you find them?

They work, and they're an improvement, but I wish they had just narrowed the road to where the roll curbs are and built wide MUTs away from the road instead. Manitou between Bleams and Homer Watson suffers from the same deficiency, roll curbs are an improvement over paint but they're not truly safe separation.

(08-12-2021, 09:43 AM)jamincan Wrote: Personally, I think roll curbs are acceptable where there is no on-street parking. I personally might actually prefer them to a full curb lane in that case, as I'm not convinced the full curb provides any better protection than a roll curb and think it's main benefit is that it acts as a deterrent to people using the lane for parking.

I'd happily reconsider my opinion if studies have been done on the difference between them and how they function in different contexts, but the science is pretty scant and what research is out there is limited by the huge number of confounding variables.

(08-12-2021, 12:41 PM)danbrotherston Wrote: The only other question is accidental intrusion, which, I dunno, I'm not a physics major, possibly barrier curbs are not more effective, but certainly barrier curbs would be more effective at regaining a drivers attention if they do accidentally deviate from the lane...again, the roll curbs are so permissive that a drunk, or distracted, or passed out driver could easily not notice crossing the roll curb. A barrier curb, if it is at all possible for them to be aroused, they absolutely will be, and if that means they need a new front tire or rim on their car, well, I'd rather that than my child needing a new father.

(08-12-2021, 08:52 PM)dtkvictim Wrote: I think perceived safety is a big deal here too. My goal isn't just to have a safe place for myself to bike, it's also to have as many people as possible biking. I came on here to ask how the experience really is, because it looks very uninviting, even if it is perfectly safe to use.