Waterloo Region Connected
Cycling in Waterloo Region - Printable Version

+- Waterloo Region Connected (https://www.waterlooregionconnected.com)
+-- Forum: Waterloo Region Works (https://www.waterlooregionconnected.com/forumdisplay.php?fid=14)
+--- Forum: Transportation and Infrastructure (https://www.waterlooregionconnected.com/forumdisplay.php?fid=25)
+--- Thread: Cycling in Waterloo Region (/showthread.php?tid=186)



RE: Cycling in Waterloo Region - jamincan - 03-04-2021

Didn't Toronto starting towing them?


RE: Cycling in Waterloo Region - jamincan - 03-13-2021

https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/feds-unveil-first-ever-dedicated-fund-for-active-transportation-1.5344392

Quote:The National Active Transportation Fund, $400 million to be spent over five years, will nearly quadruple the amount of money Canada spent over the last five years building and upgrading bike paths, pedestrian walkways and bridges, and nature trails.

This is pretty big news and has me thinking how Waterloo Region could best tap into it.

I'd like to see some thought go into adding more pedestrian/cycling overpasses of the expressways and Grand River.


RE: Cycling in Waterloo Region - danbrotherston - 03-13-2021

(03-13-2021, 08:17 AM)jamincan Wrote: https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/feds-unveil-first-ever-dedicated-fund-for-active-transportation-1.5344392

Quote:The National Active Transportation Fund, $400 million to be spent over five years, will nearly quadruple the amount of money Canada spent over the last five years building and upgrading bike paths, pedestrian walkways and bridges, and nature trails.

This is pretty big news and has me thinking how Waterloo Region could best tap into it.

I'd like to see some thought go into adding more pedestrian/cycling overpasses of the expressways and Grand River.

We definitely need more crossings of the highway, it cuts up communities.

Not sure about the Grand River though, there isn't much in the way of commuter options on the other side. The thing that bugs me though, for both, is we have so much low hanging fruit. We're going to spend at least 7 million dollars building a dedicated cycling bridge at Strausburg (and I know it's for transit, but it is going to be publicly presented as a "cycling" spend), for that money, we could probably improve 3-4 existing crossings.

For example, here's a ~1 million dollar plan to make a crossing on Victoria St. that connects all the way to Breslau.

https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/edit?mid=1vQ51xDjpt0MSns4gQvNR42Ij6Jl7etJS&usp=sharing

I've come to realize I'm a fiscal conservative, the fact that we aren't doing this is fiscally irresponsible.


RE: Cycling in Waterloo Region - ac3r - 03-13-2021

If there is one place near the Grand River that could use a safe pedestrian/cycling pass it would be here on King Street East because the only way to get past here is to take a gamble and cross the highway ramps (unless you take a massive detour and use the travel trail along the river, but that's often washed out): https://www.google.com/maps/@43.4149512,-80.4074661,1268m/data=!3m1!1e3t


RE: Cycling in Waterloo Region - dtkvictim - 03-13-2021

The downtown cycling grid documents also say "If external grant funding can be secured, construction can be completed in one year. If funded solely through the city’s existing capital funding for cycling, the project will be constructed over two to three years.", so I wonder if they will pursue funding for that purpose.


RE: Cycling in Waterloo Region - danbrotherston - 03-13-2021

(03-13-2021, 12:47 PM)dtkvictim Wrote: The downtown cycling grid documents also say "If external grant funding can be secured, construction can be completed in one year. If funded solely through the city’s existing capital funding for cycling, the project will be constructed over two to three years.", so I wonder if they will pursue funding for that purpose.

Are we referring to the downtown grid?

That was in reference to COVID funding I think, it was decided that the city would fund the grid itself, and that COVID funding would go to projects dispersed across the city, mostly trail paving--they're good projects, but they aren't really co-ordinated in the same way the downtown grid is.


RE: Cycling in Waterloo Region - dtkvictim - 03-13-2021

(03-13-2021, 02:07 PM)danbrotherston Wrote:
(03-13-2021, 12:47 PM)dtkvictim Wrote: The downtown cycling grid documents also say "If external grant funding can be secured, construction can be completed in one year. If funded solely through the city’s existing capital funding for cycling, the project will be constructed over two to three years.", so I wonder if they will pursue funding for that purpose.

Are we referring to the downtown grid?

That was in reference to COVID funding I think, it was decided that the city would fund the grid itself, and that COVID funding would go to projects dispersed across the city, mostly trail paving--they're good projects, but they aren't really co-ordinated in the same way the downtown grid is.

Yes.

I didn't realize a decision had been made, I assumed that "extra funding" option would remain open in case external funding became available (such as possibly through this active transport fund). But anyways, I'm just impatient to see it get done and be able to make use of it, and I don't know if I see myself in DTK in 3 years time. Plus I'd like to see us much further ahead on cycling infrastructure in three years, not just wrapping up the "grid".


RE: Cycling in Waterloo Region - danbrotherston - 03-13-2021

(03-13-2021, 06:29 PM)dtkvictim Wrote:
(03-13-2021, 02:07 PM)danbrotherston Wrote: Are we referring to the downtown grid?

That was in reference to COVID funding I think, it was decided that the city would fund the grid itself, and that COVID funding would go to projects dispersed across the city, mostly trail paving--they're good projects, but they aren't really co-ordinated in the same way the downtown grid is.

Yes.

I didn't realize a decision had been made, I assumed that "extra funding" option would remain open in case external funding became available (such as possibly through this active transport fund). But anyways, I'm just impatient to see it get done and be able to make use of it, and I don't know if I see myself in DTK in 3 years time. Plus I'd like to see us much further ahead on cycling infrastructure in three years, not just wrapping up the "grid".

Umm...I mean, it's not set in stone...but the tender has been issued, and possibly even a contractor selected, I think it would take a great deal of motivation to change it now.

I'm not 100% certain if the tender was for the full 3 year project, or just this year, if it was just this year, it's not impossible that the next two years could be combined into one if funding came along, but I think it's pretty unlikely.

Ultimately, if there was more funding available, there is no lack of things to spend it on, with the DTG fully funded, I don't think there's going to be a strong motivation to change that. Some on council were pushing to extend it further anyway.


RE: Cycling in Waterloo Region - Bob_McBob - 03-13-2021

Has the region said anything about the future of the separated bike lane pilot? It was originally supposed to be "monitored and maintained" until spring 2021, but what's the plan after that? I was recently struck by how much better the curb section on University has fared than Columbia, where huge lengths of bollards are completely missing after this year's winter maintenance. It seems like the bollards are impractical without the curb for protection.


RE: Cycling in Waterloo Region - danbrotherston - 03-17-2021

ATAC got a sneak peak at the COVID bike lane pilot survey results:



Something that comes as absolutely no surprise is that Geoff Lorentz is upset about the survey. No substantive objections, he's just upset.


RE: Cycling in Waterloo Region - jamincan - 03-17-2021

(03-17-2021, 07:53 AM)danbrotherston Wrote: ATAC got a sneak peak at the COVID bike lane pilot survey results:



Something that comes as absolutely no surprise is that Geoff Lorentz is upset about the survey. No substantive objections, he's just upset.

I don't think that's a fair characterization:

Quote:Regional Councillor Geoff Lorentz did express dissatisfaction with both the amount of responses gathered by the survey, as well as the questions being asked of respondents. Lorentz noted that, at no point, were respondents asked for their perspective on whether or not the pilot project was worth nearly half a million dollars, as he said the way in which the region had rolled out the project was ‘bass-ackward’.

“We do these online surveys, and we get such a poor turnout – even for budget, we get maybe 1,000 people or 1,500 people making a comment out of 630,000 residents that live in the region.” Said Lorentz. “I hope we aren’t extrapolating this and saying that the 738 people that participated (…) creates an extrapolation where we say, really it’s 70,000 or 80,000.”

“I understand this stuff looks pretty, and it may make some sense to somebody – but I certainly hope that the takeaway is not that this has been a great success and we’re going to keep doing this thing.”



RE: Cycling in Waterloo Region - danbrotherston - 03-17-2021

(03-17-2021, 08:06 AM)jamincan Wrote:
(03-17-2021, 07:53 AM)danbrotherston Wrote: ATAC got a sneak peak at the COVID bike lane pilot survey results:



Something that comes as absolutely no surprise is that Geoff Lorentz is upset about the survey. No substantive objections, he's just upset.

I don't think that's a fair characterization:

Quote:Regional Councillor Geoff Lorentz did express dissatisfaction with both the amount of responses gathered by the survey, as well as the questions being asked of respondents. Lorentz noted that, at no point, were respondents asked for their perspective on whether or not the pilot project was worth nearly half a million dollars, as he said the way in which the region had rolled out the project was ‘bass-ackward’.

“We do these online surveys, and we get such a poor turnout – even for budget, we get maybe 1,000 people or 1,500 people making a comment out of 630,000 residents that live in the region.” Said Lorentz. “I hope we aren’t extrapolating this and saying that the 738 people that participated (…) creates an extrapolation where we say, really it’s 70,000 or 80,000.”

“I understand this stuff looks pretty, and it may make some sense to somebody – but I certainly hope that the takeaway is not that this has been a great success and we’re going to keep doing this thing.”

Really? 

"Lorentz noted that, at no point, were respondents asked for their perspective on whether or not the pilot project was worth nearly half a million dollars, as he said the way in which the region had rolled out the project was ‘bass-ackward’."

So he's annoyed that the project was rolled out "bass-ackward", and that the survey didn't ask about money.  I think it's entirely fair, he's bitter and angry about this. He bloviated about democracy when it was rolled out, he then tried to kill it in secret, this fits well with that.

His comments about numbers are also bullshit...if this was about a road expansion, he'd be calling it a great success, they never ask hundreds of people about road expansions.


RE: Cycling in Waterloo Region - jamincan - 03-17-2021

I mean, I think it's bullshit too, but "No substantive objections, he's just upset." is simply not true.


RE: Cycling in Waterloo Region - KevinL - 03-17-2021

However you characterize them, his objections are not the best - the survey was to determine its effects on traffic and connectivity, and a question on its budget would just skew results; and no matter the sample size, demographics can be used to ensure a weighted representative sample.


RE: Cycling in Waterloo Region - Coke6pk - 03-24-2021

If 738 people voted for him in the next election, and the rest stayed at home, would he be fighting those results too?

Coke