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RE: Cycling in Waterloo Region - danbrotherston - 11-04-2020 (11-04-2020, 01:13 PM)Coke6pk Wrote:(11-02-2020, 06:12 PM)danbrotherston Wrote: You're basically arguing that the law is just "whatever man". The reason the law says 15 cm, is because 15 cm is too much. The law is there so that we all have, as much as is possible, an unambiguous statement about what is right and wrong. When it says 15 cm...it's because we all agree that it should be 15 cm, not 15.1 and not 14.9. Since that kind of thing can be measured unambigously, why should we not ticket 16 cm (lets be fair and use a reasonable measurement error)? I am sick and tired of people believing themselves above the law. The only thing worse than people believing themselves above the law is LEOs telling them that they are right. I thought I was pretty clear, unambiguous objectivity is what the law should strive for, not that it achieves it all the time. Things like you explain with parking are an example where we can acheive it. And frankly, if those people make a complaint, I should be charged, that's why we have trials and juries. But if we get to the trial and I say, yes, I broke the law, no I shouldn't be held accountable. Then that shouldn't be upheld, if the answer is "no I didn't assault the person, I brushed past them, that doesn't meet the definition", that is far more subjective than "I am x CM away from the curb". Yes, don't worry, I'm angry at all groups of people who refuse to hold drivers accountable and confirm their belief that they are above the law. I was out for a walk today for half an hour and I passed 9 drivers on their phone. I am done with people endangering my life. RE: Cycling in Waterloo Region - Coke6pk - 11-04-2020 I am starting a new reply, and not quoting Dan's previous post. I had formulated a response in my mind, but I'm going to stop my side of the conversation here. I've been involved in law enforcement since I entered the workforce many years ago. My current job is one you either love, or you wish me dead. Whatever, I don't care. I learned when I was still a youngin' that people hate your uniform (even if I no longer wear one), not the person in it. This board has been a safe space where there is free flowing of opinions, by a group who all care about our community. Dan (and likely others) have blasted the by-law officers and police officers in these forums. Being open with all here, I made the mistake of getting my back up defending the front line officers (and some who are current friends) who were being insulted. I forgot the uniform/person rule. For that, I apologize. I do not mean to diminish anyone's opinions here, and I may have come across as argumentative in defending the PEOPLE who do the job, and not the SYSTEM they work for. Coke RE: Cycling in Waterloo Region - panamaniac - 11-04-2020 For what it's worth, I don't feel that you have anything to apologize for. RE: Cycling in Waterloo Region - KevinT - 11-06-2020 I'll second that, I greatly appreciate your input here Coke. RE: Cycling in Waterloo Region - Rainrider22 - 11-07-2020 Good article. We might see so.e change https://www.therecord.com/news/waterloo-region/2020/11/07/changing-the-region-street-by-street.html RE: Cycling in Waterloo Region - catarctica - 11-07-2020 I was attending the bike lane zoom meeting and was told that there’s already a stretch in downtown constructing bike lane. Not sure if I heard that correctly? RE: Cycling in Waterloo Region - danbrotherston - 11-07-2020 (11-07-2020, 06:15 PM)catarctica Wrote: I was attending the bike lane zoom meeting and was told that there’s already a stretch in downtown constructing bike lane. Not sure if I heard that correctly? Which bike lane zoom meeting? Where is this stretch? My guess is you are referring to the downtown Grid, and the public consultation for that project: https://www.engagewr.ca/downtown-cycling-grid (it was a zoom meeting). The Downtown Grid is a City of Kitchener project, Kornel is a Region of Waterloo employee. Both governments own roads in the City of Kitchener, and do projects here...there is .... some...cooperation between the two. RE: Cycling in Waterloo Region - catarctica - 11-07-2020 I’m talking about the downtown grid zoom meeting yes. I don’t remember the street name but I saw construction on Ontario (I think) between duke and king so I was a bit convinced it’s for bike lane. RE: Cycling in Waterloo Region - danbrotherston - 11-07-2020 (11-07-2020, 06:22 PM)catarctica Wrote: I’m talking about the downtown grid zoom meeting yes. I don’t remember the street name but I saw construction on Ontario (I think) between duke and king so I was a bit convinced it’s for bike lane. I'm not sure what that construction is, but it's not for the bike lane, the downtown grid hasn't been approved yet. Ontario was supposed to get a contraflow bike lane between King and Halls Ln. but I think that is on hold pending the Downtown Grid which would replace it. RE: Cycling in Waterloo Region - tomh009 - 11-09-2020 A new manager of transportation planning for the region, Kornel Mucsi: https://www.therecord.com/news/waterloo-region/2020/11/07/changing-the-region-street-by-street.html Quote:My role is to change the philosophy of how we design streets, Mucsi spent the last 10 years working on making Ottawa more friendly to active transportation and he's looking to do the same in Waterloo Region. RE: Cycling in Waterloo Region - danbrotherston - 11-09-2020 (11-09-2020, 12:10 PM)tomh009 Wrote: A new manager of transportation planning for the region, Kornel Mucsi: He spoke at Folks and Spokes that Cycle WR organized. It is very refreshing to hear a voice like his at the region. Hard to see the future, but if he is able to execute, it could be very good for the region. RE: Cycling in Waterloo Region - tomh009 - 11-09-2020 I'm also encouraged that the region chose to hire him: in spite of some of the staff being stuck in their old ways, there appears to be a will to look to a different future at the management level. Mucsi will also need to get the cities on board. It's not going to be a quick fix, but effective regional leadership should be very helpful. RE: Cycling in Waterloo Region - Bytor - 11-09-2020 https://www.therecord.com/news/waterloo-region/2020/11/09/cyclists-are-vulnerable-road-users-but-now-that-concept-became-hard-reality.html How the heck is a motorist right-hooking a cyclist an ambiguous situation to the police? RE: Cycling in Waterloo Region - tomh009 - 11-09-2020 (11-09-2020, 12:54 PM)Bytor Wrote: https://www.therecord.com/news/waterloo-region/2020/11/09/cyclists-are-vulnerable-road-users-but-now-that-concept-became-hard-reality.html We don't know what the motorist claimed happened. Maybe he had a viable explanation, and there wasn't sufficient evidence to the contrary. Alas, "innocent until proven guilty" doesn't always work out when there are no witnesses. RE: Cycling in Waterloo Region - dtkvictim - 11-09-2020 (11-09-2020, 12:10 PM)tomh009 Wrote: A new manager of transportation planning for the region, Kornel Mucsi: I was reflecting on the time I lived in Ottawa to see if I had anything good to say about the cycling infrastructure and just had a memory pop into my head: The first time I rode the Mackenzie King Bridge without any knowledge of the area. A left hand side bike land, that gets dumped into a left turn where to bike lane disappears. (Follow the bridge east) https://www.google.com/maps/@45.4242941,-75.6892053,3a,68.9y,65.98h,84.34t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sHF-bL0Fbw09FiWLyYxf6pg!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo1.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DHF-bL0Fbw09FiWLyYxf6pg%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dsearch.revgeo_and_fetch.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D96%26h%3D64%26yaw%3D224.25433%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e3 Ottawa is ok to cycle in, but I think it's mostly luck since they have a river and canal to put paths next to right through the city. I lived in the suburbs, but most of the cycling "infrastructure" I came across was just paint on massively overbuilt roads. I never got a chance to use O'Connor but if this guy was involved in that, it's probably a promising sign. |