ION - Waterloo Region's Light Rail Transit - Printable Version +- Waterloo Region Connected (https://www.waterlooregionconnected.com) +-- Forum: Waterloo Region Works (https://www.waterlooregionconnected.com/forumdisplay.php?fid=14) +--- Forum: Transportation and Infrastructure (https://www.waterlooregionconnected.com/forumdisplay.php?fid=25) +--- Thread: ION - Waterloo Region's Light Rail Transit (/showthread.php?tid=14) Pages:
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
26
27
28
29
30
31
32
33
34
35
36
37
38
39
40
41
42
43
44
45
46
47
48
49
50
51
52
53
54
55
56
57
58
59
60
61
62
63
64
65
66
67
68
69
70
71
72
73
74
75
76
77
78
79
80
81
82
83
84
85
86
87
88
89
90
91
92
93
94
95
96
97
98
99
100
101
102
103
104
105
106
107
108
109
110
111
112
113
114
115
116
117
118
119
120
121
122
123
124
125
126
127
128
129
130
131
132
133
134
135
136
137
138
139
140
141
142
143
144
145
146
147
148
149
150
151
152
153
154
155
156
157
158
159
160
161
162
163
164
165
166
167
168
169
170
171
172
173
174
175
176
177
178
179
180
181
182
183
184
185
186
187
188
189
190
191
192
193
194
195
196
197
198
199
200
201
202
203
204
205
206
207
208
209
210
211
212
213
214
215
216
217
218
219
220
221
222
223
224
225
226
227
228
229
230
231
232
233
234
235
236
237
238
239
240
241
242
243
244
245
246
247
248
249
250
251
252
253
254
255
256
257
258
259
260
261
262
263
264
265
266
267
268
269
270
271
272
273
274
275
276
277
278
279
280
281
282
283
284
285
286
287
288
289
290
291
292
293
294
295
296
297
298
299
300
301
302
303
304
305
306
307
308
309
310
311
312
313
314
315
316
317
318
319
320
321
322
323
324
325
326
327
328
329
330
331
332
333
334
335
336
337
338
339
340
341
342
343
344
345
346
347
348
349
350
351
352
353
354
355
356
357
358
359
360
361
362
363
364
365
366
367
368
369
370
371
372
373
374
375
376
377
378
379
380
381
382
383
384
385
386
387
388
389
390
391
392
393
394
395
396
397
398
399
400
401
402
403
404
405
406
407
408
409
410
411
412
413
414
415
416
417
418
419
420
421
422
423
424
425
426
427
428
429
430
431
432
433
434
435
436
437
438
439
440
441
442
443
444
445
446
447
448
449
450
451
452
453
454
455
456
457
458
459
460
461
462
463
464
465
466
467
468
469
470
471
472
473
474
475
476
477
478
479
480
481
482
483
484
485
486
487
488
489
490
491
492
493
494
495
496
497
498
499
500
501
502
503
504
505
506
507
508
509
510
511
512
513
514
515
516
517
518
519
520
521
522
523
524
525
526
527
528
529
530
531
532
533
534
535
536
537
538
539
540
541
542
543
544
545
546
547
548
549
550
551
552
553
554
555
556
557
558
559
560
561
562
563
564
565
566
567
568
569
570
571
572
573
574
575
576
577
578
579
580
581
582
583
584
585
586
587
588
589
590
591
592
593
594
595
596
597
598
599
600
601
602
603
604
605
606
607
608
609
610
611
612
613
614
615
616
617
618
619
620
621
622
623
624
625
626
627
628
629
630
631
632
633
634
635
636
637
638
639
640
641
642
643
644
645
646
647
648
649
650
651
652
653
654
655
656
657
658
659
660
661
662
663
664
665
666
667
668
669
670
671
672
673
674
675
676
677
678
679
680
681
682
683
684
685
686
687
688
689
690
691
692
693
694
695
696
697
698
699
700
701
702
703
704
705
706
707
708
709
710
711
712
713
714
715
716
717
718
719
720
721
722
723
724
725
726
727
728
729
730
731
732
733
734
735
736
737
738
739
740
741
742
743
744
745
746
747
748
749
750
751
752
753
754
755
756
757
758
759
760
761
762
763
764
765
766
767
768
769
770
771
772
773
774
775
776
777
778
779
780
781
782
783
784
785
786
787
788
789
790
791
792
793
794
795
796
797
798
799
800
801
802
803
804
805
806
807
808
809
810
811
812
813
814
815
816
817
818
819
820
821
822
823
824
825
826
827
828
829
830
831
832
833
834
835
836
837
838
839
840
841
842
843
844
845
846
847
848
849
850
851
852
853
854
855
856
857
858
859
860
861
862
863
864
865
866
867
868
869
870
871
872
873
874
875
876
877
878
879
880
881
882
883
884
885
886
887
888
889
890
891
892
893
894
895
896
897
898
899
900
901
902
903
904
905
906
907
908
909
910
911
912
913
914
915
916
917
918
919
920
921
922
923
924
925
926
927
928
929
930
931
932
933
934
935
936
937
938
939
940
941
942
943
944
945
946
947
948
949
950
951
952
953
954
955
956
957
958
959
960
961
962
963
964
965
966
967
968
969
970
971
972
973
974
975
976
977
978
979
980
981
982
983
984
985
986
987
988
989
990
991
992
993
994
995
996
997
998
999
1000
1001
1002
1003
1004
1005
1006
1007
1008
1009
1010
1011
1012
1013
1014
1015
1016
1017
1018
1019
1020
1021
1022
1023
1024
1025
1026
1027
1028
1029
1030
1031
1032
1033
1034
1035
1036
1037
1038
1039
1040
1041
1042
1043
1044
1045
1046
1047
1048
1049
1050
1051
1052
1053
1054
1055
1056
1057
1058
1059
1060
1061
1062
1063
1064
1065
1066
1067
1068
1069
1070
1071
1072
1073
1074
1075
1076
1077
1078
1079
1080
1081
1082
1083
1084
1085
1086
1087
1088
1089
1090
1091
1092
1093
1094
1095
1096
1097
1098
1099
1100
1101
1102
1103
1104
1105
1106
1107
1108
1109
1110
1111
1112
1113
1114
1115
1116
1117
1118
1119
1120
1121
1122
1123
1124
1125
1126
1127
1128
1129
1130
1131
1132
1133
1134
1135
1136
1137
1138
1139
1140
1141
1142
1143
1144
1145
1146
1147
1148
1149
1150
1151
1152
1153
1154
1155
1156
1157
1158
1159
1160
1161
1162
1163
1164
1165
1166
|
RE: ION - Waterloo Region's Light Rail Transit - danbrotherston - 01-09-2018 Also, I feel like a substantial portion of the testing will be waiting for tow trucks to tow vehicles parked on the tracks. RE: ION - Waterloo Region's Light Rail Transit - Pheidippides - 01-09-2018 The 600km is the minimum for burn-in; if there are any faults (failures) the odometer goes back to 0 and it is repeated until 600km of fault-free run time is achieved. There is soooooo much testing still to do and much of it is sequential and can't run in parallel to other processes. I would encourage those interested to read the relevant portions of the project service agreement: Schedule 14 Commissioning Schedule 15-2 Article 13 VTAC Schedule 35 Vehicles RE: ION - Waterloo Region's Light Rail Transit - KevinL - 01-09-2018 (01-09-2018, 10:31 PM)Pheidippides Wrote: The 600km is the minimum for burn-in; if there are any faults (failures) the odometer goes back to 0 and it is repeated until 600km of fault-free run time is achieved. Oooooooh. Well, that changes the expected timeline, certainly. RE: ION - Waterloo Region's Light Rail Transit - MidTowner - 01-10-2018 What is the expected timeline currently? Still "Spring 2018"? RE: ION - Waterloo Region's Light Rail Transit - trainspotter139 - 01-10-2018 I think the 570 News story has a two key pieces of information that many of the people commenting on Facebook don't understand Quote:... RE: ION - Waterloo Region's Light Rail Transit - Canard - 01-10-2018 Yeah, 570 just had Tom on, and the theme of tbe piece was that they’re all still optimistic for spring 2018. He also mentioned that Keolis is “exatatic” with the performance and quality of the vehicles so far. This echoes the statements from Toronto regarding their Flexities (they just want more of them!). So, that’s good! RE: ION - Waterloo Region's Light Rail Transit - ijmorlan - 01-10-2018 (01-09-2018, 09:57 PM)Canard Wrote:(01-09-2018, 09:02 PM)ijmorlan Wrote: I believe I’ve seen 600km being given as a number for how far each vehicle needs to be driven for burn-in. Assuming that is correct, we need something like 20 round trips of the system-- The point is how long does burn-in take. If it’s done only on the “test track” portion of the system, then it is more shorter round trips. The answer is still under a week, assuming no faults found. Of course this last point is the big unknown — if there are lots of faults, it could a lot of time to fix everything and have a successful burn-in. RE: ION - Waterloo Region's Light Rail Transit - Canard - 01-10-2018 Did you read all of the documents that P posted? It’s an incredibly complex procedure and takes months. Many months. You’re making this sound like it’s insignificant and that’s absolutely not the case. RE: ION - Waterloo Region's Light Rail Transit - JCnb - 01-10-2018 Have crews been working on clearing the guideway of snow? Sometime yesterday the line along Northfeild was clear, including the station area. Is this part of overall work or perhaps a sign of upcoming testing? RE: ION - Waterloo Region's Light Rail Transit - ijmorlan - 01-10-2018 (01-10-2018, 10:35 AM)Canard Wrote: Did you read all of the documents that P posted? I’m talking about the burn-in procedure for new vehicles, not the system testing. Almost all the system testing can be done with a small number of vehicles. I believe the number is 3 according to Grandlinq. For a new vehicle is it much more than testing that the vehicle works, including interactions with the signalling system, then running it for a few hundred kilometres to ensure it really works consistently? My point is that once the system commissioning is done, new vehicles can be added to the system in a week. Even if lots of new vehicles arrive all at once, they can be burned in simultaneously. So burn-in, in which we operate each vehicle for an extended period of time, is not the concern; system commissioning might be, depending on exactly how long it takes. But system commissioning only needs the vehicles we currently have on site, so it should be proceeding at full speed. Then as the remaining vehicles arrive they can be burned-in, and opening should occur about a week after vehicle #12 arrives or even earlier if we decide to open with 15 minute service all the time with no enhancement in rush hour. Of course system commissioning also has to be complete for opening to occur so whether it is actually possible to open shortly after enough vehicles are on site depends on that. RE: ION - Waterloo Region's Light Rail Transit - JJTL - 01-10-2018 Project Agreement - Schedule 35, Appendix A, Section 3 - Burn-In Tests Quote:3.1 Upon successful completion of the Acceptance Tests, the Vehicle shall start the Burn‐In Test to be conducted by the Region and the Vehicle Supplier, with operational support from Project Co utilizing the Test Track and any other available track. Sounds to me that they have the option to use more than the test track for burn-in testing. Quote:3.3 The test shall simulate revenue service, to the extent reasonably possible, and include regular cycling of doors, PA announcements, and automatic passenger announcements, PEI operation, radio communication as well as any other feature normally encountered in revenue service. Such simulation may include manual activation of certain features. In the event that the A, B, and C fault‐free continuous 600 km is not achieved the “burn‐in” will be repeated until the requirement is met. Since Burn-In only takes place after the Acceptance Tests are completed, and Burn-In is 600km of "simulated revenue service"; seems to me that if more of the line is available or even all the line is available it could (should) be used for burn-in testing. As an engineer, the closer a simulation of real world usage is to real world usage, the better. RE: ION - Waterloo Region's Light Rail Transit - Pheidippides - 01-11-2018 I've been thinking about the comment in the record saying the next set of tests being "weather dependent" and I wonder if that has something to do with the vehicles still technically being Bombardier's and not yet handed over to the Region. There's probably some insurance clause their provider has that says you can't run/push/pull the LRV unless the tracks are dry and clear with good visibility; almost like that delay because they didn't hand over the manuals/documentation. RE: ION - Waterloo Region's Light Rail Transit - Canard - 01-11-2018
RE: ION - Waterloo Region's Light Rail Transit - Chris - 01-11-2018 (01-10-2018, 11:19 AM)JCnb Wrote: Have crews been working on clearing the guideway of snow? Sometime yesterday the line along Northfeild was clear, including the station area. Is this part of overall work or perhaps a sign of upcoming testing? I saw crews on Charles, Victoria and King clearing the tracks last night. They were using little Kobota looking tractors with snow blower attachments on the front and then giant snowblowers that were putting the snow into dump trucks. Looked like an expensive procedure in terms of staff and equipment. RE: ION - Waterloo Region's Light Rail Transit - jgsz - 01-11-2018 Ion vehicle to be towed along entire route today https://kitchener.ctvnews.ca/ion-vehicle-to-be-towed-along-entire-route-1.3755159 |