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RE: Grand River Transit - Pheidippides - 03-19-2016
Can someone map out the intended flow of buses through that proposed UW transit facility?
Having read through the document, and thought about it a while, it seems like this is a solution in search of a problem and does not add anything to the transit network, but perhaps I do not understand its intent.
It seems like the decision not to have the Ion station right at university has, as predicted on this forum, limited the options for integration with the bus network and this is now the result.
What am I missing?
Thanks.
RE: Grand River Transit - Markster - 03-19-2016
(03-19-2016, 03:28 PM)Pheidippides Wrote: Can someone map out the intended flow of buses through that proposed UW transit facility?
I'd expect that most buses that are now on University to follow the red path, and most buses that are now on Columbia to follow the blue path.
Routes that terminate at the university, like the 13, may do something more like a one-way loop around one of the ends.
Quote:Having read through the document, and thought about it a while, it seems like this is a solution in search of a problem and does not add anything to the transit network, but perhaps I do not understand its intent.
It seems like the decision not to have the Ion station right at university has, as predicted on this forum, limited the options for integration with the bus network and this is now the result.
What am I missing?
Thanks.
You are missing nothing. It's a simple operational consequence of the political choice to have a "Laurier University" stop at Seagram, and a "University of Waterloo" stop mid-campus.
RE: Grand River Transit - Pheidippides - 03-19-2016
Perfect. Thank-you!
RE: Grand River Transit - isUsername - 03-19-2016
It's surprising that the Fairview Mall buses are so far away from the mall - about 225 metres. It's only a couple of minutes, but that's a big change from 10 seconds.
I wonder if Cadillac Fairvew was giving the Region grief, so they moved it to a far corner of the property. I know that the mall management hasn't had a very pro-transit attitude (in the past, at least), but a lot more terminal users are shoppers than they may think.
RE: Grand River Transit - KevinL - 03-19-2016
(03-19-2016, 07:28 PM)isUsername Wrote: It's surprising that the Fairview Mall buses are so far away from the mall - about 225 metres. It's only a couple of minutes, but that's a big change from 10 seconds.
I wonder if Cadillac Fairvew was giving the Region grief, so they moved it to a far corner of the property. I know that the mall management hasn't had a very pro-transit attitude (in the past, at least), but a lot more terminal users are shoppers than they may think.
Well, it's simply no longer on Cadillac Fairview property - the Region is buying out the land under the two restaurants. The Ion station is in the hydro ROW, which is only an easement.
RE: Grand River Transit - panamaniac - 03-19-2016
(03-19-2016, 08:39 PM)KevinL Wrote:(03-19-2016, 07:28 PM)isUsername Wrote: It's surprising that the Fairview Mall buses are so far away from the mall - about 225 metres. It's only a couple of minutes, but that's a big change from 10 seconds.
I wonder if Cadillac Fairvew was giving the Region grief, so they moved it to a far corner of the property. I know that the mall management hasn't had a very pro-transit attitude (in the past, at least), but a lot more terminal users are shoppers than they may think.
Well, it's simply no longer on Cadillac Fairview property - the Region is buying out the land under the two restaurants. The Ion station is in the hydro ROW, which is only an easement.
How far will this be from the ION station?
RE: Grand River Transit - isUsername - 03-20-2016
That answers that question.
Region to expropriate Fairway Road restaurants for bus terminal
Quote:Coun. Tom Galloway said the region hasn't been able to reach an agreement with Cadillac Fairview Corporation, which owns Fairview Park mall, to replace the existing Grand River Transit terminal there.http://www.therecord.com/news-story/6397760-region-to-expropriate-fairway-road-restaurants-for-bus-terminal/
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"They've been quite unwilling to negotiate anything so it forces our hand into having to purchase these properties," he said.
RE: Grand River Transit - ijmorlan - 03-20-2016
(03-20-2016, 01:34 PM)isUsername Wrote: That answers that question.
Region to expropriate Fairway Road restaurants for bus terminal
Quote:Coun. Tom Galloway said the region hasn't been able to reach an agreement with Cadillac Fairview Corporation, which owns Fairview Park mall, to replace the existing Grand River Transit terminal there.http://www.therecord.com/news-story/6397760-region-to-expropriate-fairway-road-restaurants-for-bus-terminal/
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"They've been quite unwilling to negotiate anything so it forces our hand into having to purchase these properties," he said.
Why not just expropriate the existing bus terminal?
RE: Grand River Transit - Canard - 03-20-2016
Why would you expropriate a bus terminal to build a bus terminal?
RE: Grand River Transit - YKF - 03-20-2016
(03-20-2016, 09:13 PM)Canard Wrote: Why would you expropriate a bus terminal to build a bus terminal?
The existing terminal is located on CF's property (I believe). With CF apparently being unwilling to negotiate/cooperate with the Region, expropriating the existing bus terminal lands would make CF's position less of an issue, as the Region would own the land. Since the Region doesn't own the bus terminal, they're at CF's mercy.
RE: Grand River Transit - ijmorlan - 03-21-2016
(03-20-2016, 10:10 PM)YKF Wrote:(03-20-2016, 09:13 PM)Canard Wrote: Why would you expropriate a bus terminal to build a bus terminal?
The existing terminal is located on CF's property (I believe). With CF apparently being unwilling to negotiate/cooperate with the Region, expropriating the existing bus terminal lands would make CF's position less of an issue, as the Region would own the land. Since the Region doesn't own the bus terminal, they're at CF's mercy.
Exactly. Expropriate it, then change it to whatever the Region wants.
Which really ought to involve a large structure that allows moving between LRT, buses, and mall without getting rained on. Hey, we even have such a structure temporarily set up!
Given the ambivalent-at-best attitude of the malls towards transit in the past, I have previously mused about the idea of expropriating both entire malls, building the LRT, then re-selling them (other than the transit terminals) for more than the expropriation price once the land value increase that can be expected from LRT is realized. This one isn’t a serious suggestion for a number of reasons and I think is actually illegal because there are limits on what municipalities can do with expropriation, but I really do wonder why they chose to expropriate Burger King rather than the existing bus terminal.
RE: Grand River Transit - Canard - 03-21-2016
I think where they're expropriating makes a lot more sense. Having s little bubble surrounded by CF lot seems risky and silly. But by taking that whole corner (Leon's and Restaurant), now they have a nice little chunk off in the corner. Not a weird shaped bubble.
RE: Grand River Transit - panamaniac - 03-21-2016
(03-21-2016, 07:18 AM)Canard Wrote: I think where they're expropriating makes a lot more sense. Having s little bubble surrounded by CF lot seems risky and silly. But by taking that whole corner (Leon's and Restaurant), now they have a nice little chunk off in the corner. Not a weird shaped bubble.
Leons is not part of the expropriation, is it?
RE: Grand River Transit - MidTowner - 03-21-2016
I didn't think it was Leon's, at least not according to the information in the Record article. It’s the Burger King and Crabby Joe’s, at the corner of Fairway and Wilson.
I think Canard’s right that this location is better than in the middle of the mall parking lot. If Cadillac Fairview can’t see how advantageous it is for thousands of riders to have direct access to their mall, then forget them entirely and put the terminal adjacent to an actual public street.
It would be nice to have a proper structure for weather-protected connections, instead of just bus bays.
RE: Grand River Transit - Canard - 03-21-2016
Whoops, my bad - had to look at a map to refresh my memory - yes, BK and Crabby Joe's.