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RE: Grand River Transit - KevinL - 01-13-2024 The whiny residents next to Doon have always had very few legs to stand on. It's a college campus, it's been there over half a century, you have to expect what comes with that. RE: Grand River Transit - KevinL - 01-20-2024 They're having a launch event at the end of the month for the fleet's first electric bus. https://www.eventbrite.com/e/grt-electric-bus-launch-tickets-795337815817 RE: Grand River Transit - ac3r - 01-20-2024 I wonder how quickly they start taking them out of service for whatever reason. Electric buses are total garbage even in the best case scenario, so I can't imagine these will be that successful...especially since these are from Nova. Back in Europe we've got things like the Dutch company Ebusco or the Polish Solaris buses. Yet even those buses are mostly just a cheap political novelty to score points with the greenfolk. The majority of the fleets are still combustion or hybrid not because switching takes time, but because electric vehicles as a whole are still shitty and tend to be even worse for the environment (and create complex ethical/moral problems) than a traditional bus that burns diesel. RE: Grand River Transit - neonjoe - 01-20-2024 (01-20-2024, 04:01 PM)ac3r Wrote: I wonder how quickly they start taking them out of service for whatever reason. Electric buses are total garbage even in the best case scenario, so I can't imagine these will be that successful...especially since these are from Nova. Back in Europe we've got things like the Dutch company Ebusco or the Polish Solaris buses. Yet even those buses are mostly just a cheap political novelty to score points with the greenfolk. The majority of the fleets are still combustion or hybrid not because switching takes time, but because electric vehicles as a whole are still shitty and tend to be even worse for the environment (and create complex ethical/moral problems) than a traditional bus that burns diesel. The TTC is running a couple hundred from both NFI and Nova bus. They also trialed BYD and Proterra. They have over 1000 on order. I’ve ridden their NFI electric model and it was very nice. RE: Grand River Transit - Bytor - 01-22-2024 (01-20-2024, 05:18 PM)neonjoe Wrote:(01-20-2024, 04:01 PM)ac3r Wrote: I wonder how quickly they start taking them out of service for whatever reason. Electric buses are total garbage even in the best case scenario, so I can't imagine these will be that successful...especially since these are from Nova. Back in Europe we've got things like the Dutch company Ebusco or the Polish Solaris buses. Yet even those buses are mostly just a cheap political novelty to score points with the greenfolk. The majority of the fleets are still combustion or hybrid not because switching takes time, but because electric vehicles as a whole are still shitty and tend to be even worse for the environment (and create complex ethical/moral problems) than a traditional bus that burns diesel. From https://www.plugincanada.ca/electric-bus-faq/ Quote:How do e-busses perform in winter? So perhaps some misconceptions on ac3r's part, there. RE: Grand River Transit - Bytor - 01-22-2024 (01-20-2024, 04:01 PM)ac3r Wrote: I wonder how quickly they start taking them out of service for whatever reason. Electric buses are total garbage even in the best case scenario, so I can't imagine these will be that successful...especially since these are from Nova. Back in Europe we've got things like the Dutch company Ebusco or the Polish Solaris buses. Yet even those buses are mostly just a cheap political novelty to score points with the greenfolk. The majority of the fleets are still combustion or hybrid not because switching takes time, but because electric vehicles as a whole are still shitty and tend to be even worse for the environment (and create complex ethical/moral problems) than a traditional bus that burns diesel. From https://www.plugincanada.ca/electric-bus-faq/ Quote:Does producing an electric bus emit more GHG than producing a diesel bus? Anybody just slightly up-to-date on modern rechargeable batters knows about LiFePo batteries which do not use cobalt, for example. RE: Grand River Transit - plam - 01-23-2024 Trucks aren't buses but the driver experience on an electric truck is also way better than on a diesel truck, I've heard. https://www.intelligentliving.co/this-truck-driver-prefers-electric-over-diesel-heres-why/ interviewed a truck driver back in 2020. Way better acceleration and regenerative braking. Also no diesel smell or loud engine. RE: Grand River Transit - ijmorlan - 01-23-2024 (01-20-2024, 04:01 PM)ac3r Wrote: The majority of the fleets are still combustion or hybrid not because switching takes time, but because electric vehicles as a whole are still shitty and tend to be even worse for the environment (and create complex ethical/moral problems) than a traditional bus that burns diesel. Wait a second, you’re saying burning diesel doesn’t create complex ethical/moral problems? The murderous thugs who run Saudi Arabia thank you for your service. RE: Grand River Transit - bravado - 01-23-2024 What’s the average lifespan and/or mileage of a city bus? I’m curious how long they’re expected to last for… I don’t want to be an early adopter with public funds but also maybe it’s the right time - no idea! RE: Grand River Transit - neonjoe - 01-23-2024 (01-23-2024, 11:20 AM)bravado Wrote: What’s the average lifespan and/or mileage of a city bus? I’m curious how long they’re expected to last for… I don’t want to be an early adopter with public funds but also maybe it’s the right time - no idea! The oldest buses still active at GRT are 16 years old. These were meant to be retired last year but due to the surge in ridership are still active. https://cptdb.ca/wiki/index.php/Grand_River_Transit#Active_Bus_Roster RE: Grand River Transit - tomh009 - 01-23-2024 (01-23-2024, 11:20 AM)bravado Wrote: What’s the average lifespan and/or mileage of a city bus? I’m curious how long they’re expected to last for… I don’t want to be an early adopter with public funds but also maybe it’s the right time - no idea! Expected to cover more than 1M km ... RE: Grand River Transit - Bytor - 01-23-2024 (01-23-2024, 11:20 AM)bravado Wrote: What’s the average lifespan and/or mileage of a city bus? I’m curious how long they’re expected to last for… I don’t want to be an early adopter with public funds but also maybe it’s the right time - no idea! GRT rebuilds the engines somewhere between 250,000 and 500,000 kilometres (I don't remember the specific mileage), does that once or twice and then sells them off. It takes about 8 years, roughly, to get to the rebuild point. The major variance is how much the bus gets used. They try to spread it out, but some buses may be liveried for a specific service like iXpress or ION aBRT and thus get more heavily used. RE: Grand River Transit - ac3r - 01-23-2024 (01-23-2024, 10:56 AM)ijmorlan Wrote:(01-20-2024, 04:01 PM)ac3r Wrote: The majority of the fleets are still combustion or hybrid not because switching takes time, but because electric vehicles as a whole are still shitty and tend to be even worse for the environment (and create complex ethical/moral problems) than a traditional bus that burns diesel. Both things are true. We don't get a whole lot of oil from the Saudi's, thankfully. We have a good domestic supply and most imports come from the US. Some does come from the Saudi's but not a huge amount. It's mostly imported to the east part of the country due to a lack of pipeline connecting the west to the east. Interestingly, pipelines for domestic or US oil use would even lower emissions since we wouldn't be importing it from so far away and from countries that really don't care about the environment at all. It could also open up potential for us to export oil across the Atlantic which would be great for jobs and our economy. Unfortunately that will never happen since our leaders are spineless and the left has a tendency to start seething about things. RE: Grand River Transit - danbrotherston - 01-23-2024 This thread is hilariously off the rails. I mean I’m the biggest hater of electric cars and suvs but electric buses are great. But the idea that a disadvantage of EV is that they use conflict minerals is hilarious. Oil is one of the top causes of war in the past fifty years. RE: Grand River Transit - cherrypark - 01-23-2024 Find a soapbox to protest the batteries in electric Hummers instead. The battery utility per kilometre of person travel in a bus is not even in the same dimension and the idea that it's purely the fuel vs. battery and not the myriad other attributes (bus design benefits, noise reduction) is missing the point. Glad to see the GRT continuing to update its fleet. Does anyone know what the percentage hybrid is these days? I feel like if there is any argument to have its whether the improvements are better all hybrid first before EV, though that replacement is probably partly just capital replacement cycle working its way through. |