(07-10-2021, 02:57 PM)danbrotherston Wrote: It could be moderna hesitancy, or it could also be our terrible UX on the signup page.

(05-21-2021, 05:58 PM)jeffster Wrote: That said, there are a lot of people that are going to avoid it for other reasons. You do have anti-vaxxers, who are against vaccines of any type for any reason. You also have conspiracy theorists regarding this vaccine. The craziest one I heard is that since 1974, the WHO has been working on a disease (Covid-19) that would require a vaccine (the ones currently available) that would sterilize women, so we'd have population control. Also many minorities don't trust public servants (especially the police) and are less likely to be vaccinated.

Lots of other factors as well haven't helped, such as poor media reporting (concentrating on side affects), poor information from all levels of government (like flip flopping on AZ vaccine). Lots of misinformation on social media. Hopefully though we can get to 70%+ for those 12 and up....and I'd imagine that those under 12 might be approved at some point (not because there is much risk, but there would be less spread potential).

(07-11-2021, 11:46 AM)tomh009 Wrote:

(05-21-2021, 05:58 PM)jeffster Wrote: That said, there are a lot of people that are going to avoid it for other reasons. You do have anti-vaxxers, who are against vaccines of any type for any reason. You also have conspiracy theorists regarding this vaccine. The craziest one I heard is that since 1974, the WHO has been working on a disease (Covid-19) that would require a vaccine (the ones currently available) that would sterilize women, so we'd have population control. Also many minorities don't trust public servants (especially the police) and are less likely to be vaccinated.

Lots of other factors as well haven't helped, such as poor media reporting (concentrating on side affects), poor information from all levels of government (like flip flopping on AZ vaccine). Lots of misinformation on social media. Hopefully though we can get to 70%+ for those 12 and up....and I'd imagine that those under 12 might be approved at some point (not because there is much risk, but there would be less spread potential).

Revisiting this a month and a half later ... Ontario is now at 68.90% vaccinated (first shot only, but it indicates those people are willing to get vaccinated), and that's of total population. Of the eligible (12+) population we are at about 79% right now. We are making awesome vaccination progress now, and still no significant portion of the population with hesitancy (ignoring the preference for a specific vaccine here).

US states have big variations in vaccination levels and hesitancy (Vermont 74% one dose, Mississippi under 40%); Canadian provinces are impressively consistent on this.

(07-11-2021, 09:47 AM)ac3r Wrote: They got 20'000 in total to spread across the weekend, so I'm sure they'll be able to use up most of the remaining doses today. Lots of discussion over on Reddit and other social media from people inquiring about how late they're open etc, so there's definitely some interest. Whatever is left over will probably go to other sites. I don't know how well the region advertised this vaccine blitz, so many probably don't even know it's going on. Still seems to be a lot of people ignorantly brand shopping the vaccines as well.

(07-11-2021, 12:27 PM)danbrotherston Wrote:

(07-11-2021, 11:46 AM)tomh009 Wrote: Revisiting this a month and a half later ... Ontario is now at 68.90% vaccinated (first shot only, but it indicates those people are willing to get vaccinated), and that's of total population. Of the eligible (12+) population we are at about 79% right now. We are making awesome vaccination progress now, and still no significant portion of the population with hesitancy (ignoring the preference for a specific vaccine here).

US states have big variations in vaccination levels and hesitancy (Vermont 74% one dose, Mississippi under 40%); Canadian provinces are impressively consistent on this.

I mean, the US has some serious issues...vaccine hesitancy during a global pandemic isn't even the most serious of them. I am honestly worried about the future in the US.

(07-11-2021, 04:05 PM)jeffster Wrote:

(07-11-2021, 12:27 PM)danbrotherston Wrote: I mean, the US has some serious issues...vaccine hesitancy during a global pandemic isn't even the most serious of them. I am honestly worried about the future in the US.

GOP is a unique beast down in the USA right now, lots of changes, none of them good. I wouldn't call then true conservatives (after all, Trump isn't a Conservative) either. What's happening is that many are rejecting politicians that aren't exactly opposite to their democratic counterpart. This is why guys like Mitt Romney get booed. There seems to be a genuine fear of Trump, and I have no idea why. It seems that no many are eager to piss him off (Cheney is one of the exceptions, plus handful of others). A real cult following for Trump. Never seen anything quite like it, with the exception of the North Korean leader.

Anyway, this will mess them up when it comes to vaccines. While most Republicans have gotten their vaccine, they certainly haven't encouraged it much. Now, will the USA go into a forth wave? I don't know -- I think so many got sick, and others are vaccinated, there might not be a lot of hosts left, and as for covid deaths, I don't think they'll spike again.

But at least here in Canada all the leaders are on the same page when it comes to the vaccine. Even the PM has a split vaccine (we both got AZ then Moderna). Ford got AZ for both. Erin O'Toole got his shots, and was the one questioning the timing of 16 weeks (and lucky for Canadians, it got reduced to 4 or 8 weeks, depending on your first shot).

Back to the USA -- lots of conspiracy theorists there. Trump loved this, and promoted it, and had his own conspiracies. We'll see where it gets them in the end.

(07-11-2021, 05:32 PM)danbrotherston Wrote: Up here, we certainly do not have issues to the same scale as the US, but our Conservative (big c) party is starting to head in that direction. I find that very dangerous as well.

(07-11-2021, 05:32 PM)danbrotherston Wrote: Up here, we certainly do not have issues to the same scale as the US, but our Conservative (big c) party is starting to head in that direction. I find that very dangerous as well.

(07-11-2021, 06:19 PM)jeffster Wrote:

(07-11-2021, 05:32 PM)danbrotherston Wrote: Up here, we certainly do not have issues to the same scale as the US, but our Conservative (big c) party is starting to head in that direction. I find that very dangerous as well.

Thing is, this won't get them anywhere in this country. Hell, the old Liberal government from 1993-2001 or whatever was more conservative.

If they want to govern ever again, they need to push out most of the hardline right. But that isn't a issue in the USA. Trump hit a nerve with so many people (good or bad), that his brand is going to live for a long time and a huge chunk of the US population loves the guy -- and even with that country so divided, you still don't have a huge turnout (though it was pretty big this year). I think part of the issue is that the left is going to far to the left as well, and centre type politics is dead.

(07-11-2021, 04:05 PM)jeffster Wrote: Anyway, this will mess them up when it comes to vaccines. While most Republicans have gotten their vaccine, they certainly haven't encouraged it much. Now, will the USA go into a forth wave? I don't know -- I think so many got sick, and others are vaccinated, there might not be a lot of hosts left, and as for covid deaths, I don't think they'll spike again.