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RE: Population and Housing - plam - 03-17-2021

(03-17-2021, 01:09 PM)GarthDanlor Wrote:
(03-16-2021, 02:15 AM)taylortbb Wrote: KW suffers from being near Toronto. Halifax and Victoria are both smaller metros than Kitchener, but feel larger. They're the centers of their respective areas, so there's a lot more cultural focus on them.
It's also the distributed nature of the metropolitan area with 2 main city centre areas in KW and 3 within Cambridge itself.  Maybe by the time we reach a million in 2050, we will feel like a city of 600 000.

One could say that but Wellington also has Lower Hutt (100k), Upper Hutt (56k), and Porirua (56k) which are pretty cut off from Wellington by geographic features (hills). They are connected by commuter rail and not very high capacity highways.


RE: Population and Housing - tomh009 - 03-18-2021

(03-17-2021, 06:29 PM)plam Wrote:
(03-17-2021, 01:09 PM)GarthDanlor Wrote: It's also the distributed nature of the metropolitan area with 2 main city centre areas in KW and 3 within Cambridge itself.  Maybe by the time we reach a million in 2050, we will feel like a city of 600 000.

One could say that but Wellington also has Lower Hutt (100k), Upper Hutt (56k), and Porirua (56k) which are pretty cut off from Wellington by geographic features (hills). They are connected by commuter rail and not very high capacity highways.

I have only been to Wellington once, and it was many years ago, so my memory is a bit fuzzy on this. But wouldn't it be fair to say that the geography (hills!) constraints the sprawl in Wellington much more than it does here, where we are surrounded by flat farmland and former farmland?


RE: Population and Housing - Bytor - 03-18-2021

Can anybody suggest some buildings in Kitchener, Waterloo, or Cambridge that are good of examples of higher-density housing being built in existing single-family dwelling neighbourhoods that fit in and complement the style of houses around them?


RE: Population and Housing - ac3r - 03-18-2021

I spotted 87 Cedar Street yesterday while looking around on Google Maps. It's not beautiful architecture, but the complex matches the single-family houses in the area. Quite the contrast to the massive apartment building right across the street which looks way out of place: https://www.google.com/maps/@43.4447621,-80.4857426,3a,75y,78.94h,96.24t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sO3oa_jgVLrj_zChHvbkiTg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

I'm sure they could have built it without all 24~ parking spots, though...


RE: Population and Housing - dtkmelissa - 03-18-2021

(03-18-2021, 10:31 AM)Bytor Wrote: Can anybody suggest some buildings in Kitchener, Waterloo, or Cambridge that are good of examples of higher-density housing being built in existing single-family dwelling neighbourhoods that fit in and complement the style of houses around them?
I don't know if this fits all of your criteria, but I thought the Barra Castle project did some of that nicely.


RE: Population and Housing - tomh009 - 03-18-2021

(03-18-2021, 02:49 PM)dtkmelissa Wrote:
(03-18-2021, 10:31 AM)Bytor Wrote: Can anybody suggest some buildings in Kitchener, Waterloo, or Cambridge that are good of examples of higher-density housing being built in existing single-family dwelling neighbourhoods that fit in and complement the style of houses around them?

I don't know if this fits all of your criteria, but I thought the Barra Castle project did some of that nicely.

I think so, too.

And while 122 Courtland Ave E is no beauty, it fits in well with the surrounding houses.


RE: Population and Housing - Chris - 03-18-2021

(03-18-2021, 10:31 AM)Bytor Wrote: Can anybody suggest some buildings in Kitchener, Waterloo, or Cambridge that are good of examples of higher-density housing being built in existing single-family dwelling neighbourhoods that fit in and complement the style of houses around them?

Are you looking for Victoria Commons type density in an old neighbourhood or more of multi-unit housing in-line with single-family homes?


RE: Population and Housing - danbrotherston - 03-18-2021

(03-18-2021, 10:31 AM)Bytor Wrote: Can anybody suggest some buildings in Kitchener, Waterloo, or Cambridge that are good of examples of higher-density housing being built in existing single-family dwelling neighbourhoods that fit in and complement the style of houses around them?

Here's one I happened upon:

https://www.google.ca/maps/@43.4561261,-80.4995206,3a,75y,246.66h,96.02t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sZm_6R7n9Fmv2Tb_oErddhw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

I'm not saying I like the building, (too much parking for one), but on the site of a single house, having a 3? unit building is a big improvement. And I question anyone to object to living next to that. It's basically the same as a house.

Here's an example on Walter:

https://www.google.ca/maps/@43.4545701,-80.5073301,3a,75y,5.6h,93.22t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1soXenkOisPgdNGTNqav7hGA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

There are a handful of these types of buildings around, but we need to be building a thousand of them per year at least.  And frankly, I'm not sure what zoning allows this, but I'm betting you won't find a single one of these in 60's era neighbourhoods and newer.


RE: Population and Housing - plam - 03-18-2021

(03-18-2021, 09:56 AM)tomh009 Wrote:
(03-17-2021, 06:29 PM)plam Wrote: One could say that but Wellington also has Lower Hutt (100k), Upper Hutt (56k), and Porirua (56k) which are pretty cut off from Wellington by geographic features (hills). They are connected by commuter rail and not very high capacity highways.

I have only been to Wellington once, and it was many years ago, so my memory is a bit fuzzy on this. But wouldn't it be fair to say that the geography (hills!) constraints the sprawl in Wellington much more than it does here, where we are surrounded by flat farmland and former farmland?

Generally correct, although e.g. San Francisco and Boston were built in similar topography and ignored or filled in the hills to different extents. Wellington had a Town Belt which is somewhat similar to Ontario's Green Belt, though much smaller. That's why I can see so much green from my window as opposed to houses.

It does take much more effort to traverse the hills in Wellington for sure, though they are slowly building more highway capacity. Having said that, I don't think there is anything more than 6 lanes.


RE: Population and Housing - ijmorlan - 03-19-2021

(03-18-2021, 03:59 PM)danbrotherston Wrote: There are a handful of these types of buildings around, but we need to be building a thousand of them per year at least.  And frankly, I'm not sure what zoning allows this, but I'm betting you won't find a single one of these in 60's era neighbourhoods and newer.

Residential zoning is appallingly prescriptive. Separate zoning for “single-family” (whatever that means), semi-detached, townhouses, stacked townhouses, small apartment buildings (I mean, even 3 apartments is a separate category), …. If I were in charge I would probably collapse it all to a single zone, with some sort of rules on height so you don’t suddenly end up with a huge tower right next to you.


RE: Population and Housing - Chris - 03-19-2021

(03-18-2021, 10:31 AM)Bytor Wrote: Can anybody suggest some buildings in Kitchener, Waterloo, or Cambridge that are good of examples of higher-density housing being built in existing single-family dwelling neighbourhoods that fit in and complement the style of houses around them?

This one in Central Fred.

https://www.google.com/maps/@43.4568722,-80.4808021,3a,75y,70.42h,90t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sftHUv9FpnSyB4Pi_f7AgHA!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3DftHUv9FpnSyB4Pi_f7AgHA%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D63.899815%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192


RE: Population and Housing - Bytor - 03-19-2021

(03-18-2021, 03:46 PM)Chris Wrote:
(03-18-2021, 10:31 AM)Bytor Wrote: Can anybody suggest some buildings in Kitchener, Waterloo, or Cambridge that are good of examples of higher-density housing being built in existing single-family dwelling neighbourhoods that fit in and complement the style of houses around them?

Are you looking for Victoria Commons type density in an old neighbourhood or more of multi-unit housing in-line with single-family homes?

I'm looking for something that still has plenty of the single-family dwellings around it, rather and a total redevelopment like Victoria Commons. Something I can get a good photo of, and looking on Google Maps Streetview doesn't show enough houses around VC to set a shot like that up, even around the corner on St Leger. However, those rowhouses are a great example of missing middle housing.


RE: Population and Housing - Chris - 03-19-2021

(03-19-2021, 09:59 AM)Bytor Wrote:
(03-18-2021, 03:46 PM)Chris Wrote: Are you looking for Victoria Commons type density in an old neighbourhood or more of multi-unit housing in-line with single-family homes?

I'm looking for something that still has plenty of the single-family dwellings around it, rather and a total redevelopment like Victoria Commons. Something I can get a good photo of, and looking on Google Maps Streetview doesn't show enough houses around VC to set a shot like that up, even around the corner on St Leger. However, those rowhouses are a great example of missing middle housing.

Cool the Manison and Pequengant example fits right into that.

Not as good but at least right-sized for the street is these two on Wilhem near Weber. https://www.google.com/maps/@43.4591752,-80.496334,3a,75y,317.25h,84.79t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1seAmsstyHG0SZ6plOU9ONiw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

Wellington and Margaret. https://www.google.com/maps/@43.458255,-80.4913727,3a,75y,136.68h,92.84t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sV1DeFriGBlyB4sndRDEy4A!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

As I travel around I see a bunch like you are looking for but when trying to recall where it isn't so easy. :/

I know they are much older but what about the row homes on Mansion near the CiTS? https://www.google.com/maps/@43.4562072,-80.4821883,3a,75y,251.49h,90.09t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sDLZZQSFfvSyvEbrxhXq5cA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192 and https://www.google.com/maps/@43.4553573,-80.4829015,3a,75y,341.12h,83.42t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1svwCSB41rbEFj8IJqmg7rZQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192


RE: Population and Housing - danbrotherston - 03-19-2021

(03-19-2021, 10:08 AM)Chris Wrote:
(03-19-2021, 09:59 AM)Bytor Wrote: I'm looking for something that still has plenty of the single-family dwellings around it, rather and a total redevelopment like Victoria Commons. Something I can get a good photo of, and looking on Google Maps Streetview doesn't show enough houses around VC to set a shot like that up, even around the corner on St Leger. However, those rowhouses are a great example of missing middle housing.

Cool the Manison and Pequengant example fits right into that.

Not as good but at least right-sized for the street is these two on Wilhem near Weber. https://www.google.com/maps/@43.4591752,-80.496334,3a,75y,317.25h,84.79t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1seAmsstyHG0SZ6plOU9ONiw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

Wellington and Margaret. https://www.google.com/maps/@43.458255,-80.4913727,3a,75y,136.68h,92.84t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sV1DeFriGBlyB4sndRDEy4A!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

As I travel around I see a bunch like you are looking for but when trying to recall where it isn't so easy. :/

I know they are much older but what about the row homes on Mansion near the CiTS? https://www.google.com/maps/@43.4562072,-80.4821883,3a,75y,251.49h,90.09t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sDLZZQSFfvSyvEbrxhXq5cA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192 and https://www.google.com/maps/@43.4553573,-80.4829015,3a,75y,341.12h,83.42t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1svwCSB41rbEFj8IJqmg7rZQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

The places on Mansion are neat, and one is for sale:

https://www.realtor.ca/real-estate/22942361/28-mansion-street-unit-7-kitchener

I was disappointed they were only 2 bedroom though.


RE: Population and Housing - ac3r - 03-19-2021

I just remembered the proposed 50-52 Weber/107 Young seniors housing project. It hasn't been constructed and personally I think it looks awful, but the architects specifically tried to take inspiration from the architecture of the region to incorporate it into the building, blending various styles and eras. It somewhat fits into the middle housing criteria, albeit on the larger end of things: https://www.waterlooregionconnected.com/showthread.php?tid=1455