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RE: Grand River Transit - danbrotherston - 02-27-2018 (02-27-2018, 01:53 PM)trainspotter139 Wrote:(02-27-2018, 12:21 PM)danbrotherston Wrote: Thanks for the clarification everyone, and this is actually a big improvement then, because a fare product that you can start any time would be a big benefit to some. I suppose I misunderstood your original post, in that respect, yes, you'll be issued a refund of the amount you added to your card after 30 days. But that's a requirement based on the implementation, not a policy. The point is, I can use the service occasionally, and still carry a balance on the card in between. RE: Grand River Transit - Coke6pk - 02-27-2018 (02-24-2018, 11:06 PM)Pheidippides Wrote: This one feels worse because if the wraps all so wonderful for the advertisers why do they have to work so hard to sell them and make yet another bus look horrible? I can't speak to Apple, but I can speak to the example that is close to my heart.... Coke RE: Grand River Transit - danbrotherston - 02-27-2018 (02-27-2018, 05:01 PM)Coke6pk Wrote:(02-24-2018, 11:06 PM)Pheidippides Wrote: This one feels worse because if the wraps all so wonderful for the advertisers why do they have to work so hard to sell them and make yet another bus look horrible? Certainly there are cross promotional programs. One much closer to Apple would be Google's cross promotion with Nestle over the KitKat version of Android. But I think it's unfair to compare these to bus wrap ads (and certainly not standard advertising), they're clearly very different, Coca-Cola is not selling ad space on their cans. RE: Grand River Transit - Coke6pk - 02-27-2018 We could call bus wrap ads "Cross promotion" and then its the same thing? Clearly, Coke has a benefit from putting these on their cans. I'm not at home right now to snap a picture, but I have thousands of bottles that advertise events, companies, etc. These "commemorative bottles" are effectively putting ads on my Coke bottles. [Recent Canadian examples are Holt Renfrew & Sobey's 100th]. I know they are completely different issues, I'm just replying to the comment "Coke wouldn't do that". Effectively, they do. Coke RE: Grand River Transit - jamincan - 02-27-2018 Perhaps Ryanair is a better comparison: RE: Grand River Transit - Coke6pk - 02-27-2018 Continuing with the plane theme.... Coke RE: Grand River Transit - ijmorlan - 02-27-2018 (02-27-2018, 05:27 PM)Coke6pk Wrote: We could call bus wrap ads "Cross promotion" and then its the same thing? Great examples, everyone! Many of those I had not seen. I’m actually OK with bus advertising and I’m even OK with the “total paint” (as I believe OC Transpo called them at one point) ones, as long as almost all of the window is still fully transparent (not sort-of see through). Where I get off the bus is at the point where riders are significantly inconvenienced. Although learning that the income from the advertising is so low (way less than even $1 million) makes me wonder if it’s worth it. RE: Grand River Transit - bgb_ca - 02-27-2018 That's what I do with presto. Load 40-50 at Charles street. And I only use it a few times a year so any unused funds are still there several months later when I take the next trip requiring presto. RE: Grand River Transit - jamincan - 02-27-2018 (02-27-2018, 06:44 PM)ijmorlan Wrote: I’m actually OK with bus advertising and I’m even OK with the “total paint” (as I believe OC Transpo called them at one point) ones, as long as almost all of the window is still fully transparent (not sort-of see through). Where I get off the bus is at the point where riders are significantly inconvenienced. Although learning that the income from the advertising is so low (way less than even $1 million) makes me wonder if it’s worth it. I agree that the bus wraps hardly seem worth it considering the negative experience it causes passengers. RE: Grand River Transit - chutten - 02-27-2018 If only the people responsible for the bus wraps took the bus... RE: Grand River Transit - jamincan - 02-28-2018 That's not necessarily the problem. Full bus wraps never really bothered me as a passenger. People describing their negative experiences with it on this forum was the first time it even occurred to me it might be an issue for some. RE: Grand River Transit - timio - 02-28-2018 It's only recently that I've been impacted by motion sickness in vehicles. I'm typically fine when I'm paying attention to the surroundings. Where it's worse is if (a) I'm looking at a screen or (b) I can't clearly see my surroundings. No issues in the back seat of a car when I'm looking out the windows, but in a fully wrapped bus, I find myself feeling nauseous. RE: Grand River Transit - Viewfromthe42 - 02-28-2018 That's the difference between bus wrap ads and all your examples. The bus wrap ads impede our ability to not be nauseated on a bus, and even to see where we're actually getting off. While the loss of brand respect is also frustrating, it still doesn't compare for at least some of those examples. If you drive around here, you'll see several buses, and know that they are GRT. Most people will see planes on maybe a couple days a year, and some of those paint jobs are so complete that you could easily have no idea which brand was tarnishing their plane with an ad, nor do you feel like you are being toured around your city in an ad; in flight, no one can see your plane's coverings. So the bus wrap ads are miles worse than any other example presented. RE: Grand River Transit - panamaniac - 02-28-2018 (02-28-2018, 09:43 AM)timio Wrote: It's only recently that I've been impacted by motion sickness in vehicles. I'm typically fine when I'm paying attention to the surroundings. Where it's worse is if (a) I'm looking at a screen or (b) I can't clearly see my surroundings. No issues in the back seat of a car when I'm looking out the windows, but in a fully wrapped bus, I find myself feeling nauseous. Car sickness results from looking at a fixed point while a vehicle is in motion, no? It creates a disconnect between what your eyes see (stationary) and what your brain percieves (motion). I wouldn't have thought bus wraps would make a difference, but I've not experienced one that you cannot see through. If the view were completely blocked, I can see why it would set some folks off. RE: Grand River Transit - Viewfromthe42 - 02-28-2018 (02-28-2018, 10:09 AM)panamaniac Wrote:(02-28-2018, 09:43 AM)timio Wrote: It's only recently that I've been impacted by motion sickness in vehicles. I'm typically fine when I'm paying attention to the surroundings. Where it's worse is if (a) I'm looking at a screen or (b) I can't clearly see my surroundings. No issues in the back seat of a car when I'm looking out the windows, but in a fully wrapped bus, I find myself feeling nauseous. This is indeed one issue; you can't see out of the windows easily, especially the farther back from them you are, and so avoiding motion sickness is much harder, in addition to preventing you from seeing where the bus is in relation to the outside world for navigation purposes. |