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RE: Public/Street Art in Waterloo Region - danbrotherston - 11-10-2020
*rolls eyes*...
If you folks aren't interested in a serious conversation, that's fine.
By the way, I never said fine art, capitalism has no problem creating wealthy people and corporations to commission or own their own pieces. Public art on the other hand is what the discussion was actually about.
RE: Public/Street Art in Waterloo Region - jamincan - 11-10-2020
(11-10-2020, 03:07 PM)danbrotherston Wrote: *rolls eyes*...
If you folks aren't interested in a serious conversation, that's fine.
By the way, I never said fine art, capitalism has no problem creating wealthy people and corporations to commission or own their own pieces. Public art on the other hand is what the discussion was actually about.
I get your hypothesis, but it just doesn't seem to be supported by evidence.
RE: Public/Street Art in Waterloo Region - plam - 11-10-2020
(11-10-2020, 03:56 PM)jamincan Wrote:(11-10-2020, 03:07 PM)danbrotherston Wrote: *rolls eyes*...
If you folks aren't interested in a serious conversation, that's fine.
By the way, I never said fine art, capitalism has no problem creating wealthy people and corporations to commission or own their own pieces. Public art on the other hand is what the discussion was actually about.
I get your hypothesis, but it just doesn't seem to be supported by evidence.
More seriously, City of Waterloo has had a one percent for public art policy since 1996. City will reserve up to 1% for projects over $1M, up to a max of $300k. I guess developer contributions can help with bonusing ("Section 37 of the Planning Act") and private sector/community donations are "encouraged".
RE: Public/Street Art in Waterloo Region - panamaniac - 11-11-2020
Kitchener, Cambridge, and RofW also have public art policies, iinm.
RE: Public/Street Art in Waterloo Region - Coke6pk - 11-11-2020
RED Automotive - Victoria Street
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RE: Public/Street Art in Waterloo Region - panamaniac - 11-11-2020
Wow! Who's the artist? More, more, more, please!
RE: Public/Street Art in Waterloo Region - danbrotherston - 11-11-2020
(11-10-2020, 03:56 PM)jamincan Wrote:(11-10-2020, 03:07 PM)danbrotherston Wrote: *rolls eyes*...
If you folks aren't interested in a serious conversation, that's fine.
By the way, I never said fine art, capitalism has no problem creating wealthy people and corporations to commission or own their own pieces. Public art on the other hand is what the discussion was actually about.
I get your hypothesis, but it just doesn't seem to be supported by evidence.
Fair enough, you're welcome to have a differing opinion, mine is not...well researched, although I do still feel it is valid. I was mainly put off by the sarcastic retort.
(11-10-2020, 11:31 PM)plam Wrote:(11-10-2020, 03:56 PM)jamincan Wrote: I get your hypothesis, but it just doesn't seem to be supported by evidence.
More seriously, City of Waterloo has had a one percent for public art policy since 1996. City will reserve up to 1% for projects over $1M, up to a max of $300k. I guess developer contributions can help with bonusing ("Section 37 of the Planning Act") and private sector/community donations are "encouraged".
(11-11-2020, 12:14 AM)panamaniac Wrote: Kitchener, Cambridge, and RofW also have public art policies, iinm.
These things are clearly anti-free-market-capitalism.
A central organization taking money and using central planning to decide to spend it on arts is not the free hand of the market. The fact that we do this, recognizes that it is important, but that the free market won't achieve it on it's own.
Of course, I did say before, we only pretend to be free-market-capitalist, in reality we contort the market all the time because we see how it fails.
RE: Public/Street Art in Waterloo Region - ijmorlan - 11-11-2020
(11-11-2020, 10:31 AM)danbrotherston Wrote: Of course, I did say before, we only pretend to be free-market-capitalist, in reality we contort the market all the time because we see how it fails.
It’s not that simple. We contort the market for many reasons, ranging from essential to utterly bogus. For example, parking minima in dense urban areas.
RE: Public/Street Art in Waterloo Region - danbrotherston - 11-11-2020
(11-11-2020, 03:31 PM)ijmorlan Wrote:(11-11-2020, 10:31 AM)danbrotherston Wrote: Of course, I did say before, we only pretend to be free-market-capitalist, in reality we contort the market all the time because we see how it fails.
It’s not that simple. We contort the market for many reasons, ranging from essential to utterly bogus. For example, parking minima in dense urban areas.
Umm...you're probably right in general, but I'd actually disagree with the parking minima example
Parking minima were added because of a market failure (drivers parking their vehicles all over the public right of way), it just happens to be the wrong way to solve the market failure. It more shows the limitation of central planning...choosing parking minima was a bad choice, the free market would never have done that, if we had solved the problem in another way (say by summarily crushing all illegally parked vehicles) the free market would have provided a more efficient solution to parking.
I'd say things like economic development funds are a "bogus" example. We invest in them because they help our city to do better, but ultimately it's a zero sum game, if we had invested in things which actually make our city better, it would have been just as effective--albeit harder to figure out. We are trying to put a finger on the market to slant it our way, but not because of a market failure, but because we'd rather win.
But we are getting really off topic here.
RE: Public/Street Art in Waterloo Region - Spokes - 11-11-2020
Wow that's amazing
RE: Public/Street Art in Waterloo Region - dtkvictim - 11-16-2020
I think this is new, on 44 Gaukel
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