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RE: Toronto transit projects - timio - 03-22-2017
(03-21-2017, 08:09 PM)Canard Wrote: Sure - slim to none. Bombardier's legal team demolished Metrolinx. They haven't got a leg to stand on.
Neither party is blameless in this. It takes two to tango, Metrolinx for delaying their openings (partially encouraged by the circus at Toronto City Hall), but Bombardier has delayed as well and their delivery of the Outlooks for the TTC has shown quality issues.
That isn't to say that Metrolinx hasn't been childish about the whole thing - they likely deserve to get a good kick to the head for their behaviour, but the judge will need to take all actions by both parties into account in the verdict.
RE: Toronto transit projects - Canard - 03-22-2017
Please tell me about the Outlook quality issues?
RE: Toronto transit projects - timio - 03-22-2017
Some light reading: http://urbantoronto.ca/forum/threads/ttc-flexity-streetcars-testing-delivery-bombardier.3263/
RE: Toronto transit projects - Canard - 03-22-2017
Well aware of the thread, thanks - curious what exactly the quality issues are on vehicles which are now in service? Byford et all have said time and time again that they're fantastic vehicles and are very reliable.
Pretty good overview of Tuesday's court hearing here:
http://www.citynews.ca/2017/03/21/metrolinx-bombardier-court-light-rail-contract/
RE: Toronto transit projects - Canard - 04-19-2017
The judge ruled in favour of Bombardier!
https://www.scribd.com/document/345648982/Bombardier-v-Metrolinx-Reasons-for-Decision
RE: Toronto transit projects - Pheidippides - 04-19-2017
Yes the judge ruled in favour of Bombardier in that Metrolinx can't get out of and end the contract under the current circumstances, but the judge didn't say Bombardier was or was not in default (breach) of contract, only that the dispute resolution process in the contract and agreed upon by both parties was not followed properly.
As far as I understand, the dispute resolution board/process could still find that the terms of the contract have not been met to date.
RE: Toronto transit projects - tomh009 - 04-20-2017
Correct. But Metrolinx needs to follow the dispute resolution process and cannot unilaterally (and quickly) terminate the contract.
RE: Toronto transit projects - Canard - 05-02-2017
Nice video from Toronto showing progress from the sky of the Eglinton Crosstown.
RE: Toronto transit projects - Canard - 05-06-2017
Recent presentation boards for the status of the Eglinton Crosstown, including a buffet of renderings of the (lovely) stations:
http://www.thecrosstown.ca/sites/default/files/consolidated_kennedy-east_at-grade_open_house_april_5_17_final_website.pdf
It's interesting to note that it appears they are planning on having sections of "green track" (see slide 48)!
I have to admit, I'm so absorbed with what's going on here with ion I haven't really been following along at all with what's going on in Toronto on the Crosstown. It's going to be very exciting to compare the differences between it and our own system, which will really showcase the flexibility in LRT as a technology choice.
RE: Toronto transit projects - KevinL - 05-11-2017
Another twist in the Metrolinx/Bombardier saga.
Metrolinx strikes light-rail deal with Alstom, bypassing Bombardier
Quote:The agreement would see Alstom, which is currently building light rail vehicles for the Ottawa market, produce for southern Ontario as well. At least part of the work will be done at a plant in the Toronto area.
Enough of their vehicles are expected to be delivered that they can be used, if necessary, to open the $5.4-billion Eglinton Crosstown as scheduled in 2021.
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The deal with Alstom is intended to offer insurance. If Bombardier comes through, the Alstom vehicles will end up on the Finch and Hurontario LRT lines.
RE: Toronto transit projects - KevinL - 05-12-2017
Officially official: 61 Alstom vehicles on order with Metrolinx.
RE: Toronto transit projects - Markster - 05-12-2017
And so, the dream of a unified GTHA vehicle fleet dies.
I was really looking forward to a unified look and feel across all the GTHA+KW LRTs.
RE: Toronto transit projects - Pheidippides - 05-12-2017
Apparently Metrolinx likes digging holes so much they are digging themselves another.
Talk about creating needless inefficiencies.
How would this even work? By the time they'll know which line the trains are for won't the platforms, etc be in place and require adjusting to fit a different vehicle?
RE: Toronto transit projects - Markster - 05-12-2017
(05-12-2017, 12:18 PM)Pheidippides Wrote: How would this even work? By the time they'll know which line the trains are for won't the platforms, etc be in place and require adjusting to fit a different vehicle?
That's the beauty of building a standard LRT system (as opposed to say, skytrain). All the vehicles made by many different manufacturers are close enough to the same tolerances to make them inter-operable.
RE: Toronto transit projects - ijmorlan - 05-12-2017
(05-12-2017, 12:25 PM)Markster Wrote:(05-12-2017, 12:18 PM)Pheidippides Wrote: How would this even work? By the time they'll know which line the trains are for won't the platforms, etc be in place and require adjusting to fit a different vehicle?
That's the beauty of building a standard LRT system (as opposed to say, skytrain). All the vehicles made by many different manufacturers are close enough to the same tolerances to make them inter-operable.
Assuming MetroLinx has basic competence, a (somewhat) mixed fleet is actually a good thing as it forces all stations and vehicles to follow a standard which in turn allows real choice of manufacturer in the future. With any luck they will mandate compatible signalling etc. as well. To move an LRV from one system to another should be a matter of making a database entry in the new system’s records and dropping it onto the tracks (or just driving it, if the systems are neighbouring and connected systems).